Any Suspicious Observers members here?

Please tell us what your theory was 30+ years ago.

Us? or you? Water is wet the sky is blue and the earth is round.

Alright, just to gain some perspective, answer these two questions.

1. If you are right and global heating is a vast political conspiracy, what’s a stake? Why do you care so much?

2. If you’re wrong and global heating is for real, what’s at stake then? Why do I care so much?

I always find it amusing when someone who obviously knows very little about a subject and has never met me informs me that I’m mistaken in my understanding of the subject. Thanks for the condescending, confused and factually-challenged lecture, but I’ll stick with the information and conclusions provided by the experts in the relevant fields. Human-induced climate change is real, and causing local changes in living conditions even faster than predicted just a few years ago.

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I follow and agree with the scientific studies showing trends in upward climate temps that correlate to industrial output levels. No amount of political “spin” will change what most of the scientific community (not in cahoots with some “association” or whatever) agree has happened. And it’s a documented fact we are accelerating in over-all heat on our planet as a whole… setting all-time recorded heat records almost every new year now.

Now, all that said above… looking WAY back over the last say couple of hundred thousand years there are SEVERAL points where the planet went SUPER-COOL— overnight! Many theories on why… comet/meteor strikes, other planets stopping by, crust rotation, etc. And some validated recent cooling trends in the last few thousand years (like the “little ice age” around the 16th century) happened without any massive (read: single catastrophic event) carbon/methane/volcanic emissions that have been confirmed AFAIK to date. Some think a volcano in the 12th century might have effected it’s starting along with glacial movements around the world— but who knows eh?

But yes… I have a photo-voltaic system on my home in Kansas and I’m one of less than .01% of electrical customers who does (the major electric company here is like all the rest- draconian and trying every angle to screw us out of our credits and they ARE doing it sadly). But still I know every hot day that I am not using coal generated electricity AND if everyone used solar we’d need a lot less generation over-all. Hawaii and lots of smaller island areas that don’t want to disturb some fantastic beauty (their bread and butter- tourism), HAVE figured out how to do solar right. But when you are in say West Texas (where I am from seven generations ago), you look around and figure a few coal plants (or now windmills) won’t change anything. But they have their “impact” on the globe- good and bad. And NOW we Kansas electrical customers are being charged a premium for “wind generated” electricity (selling “green” by the bucket load of stank— as usual).

Wall Street always wins… at least for now. But never know when that might change; for better or worse. But like George Carlin said, no need to worry about the planet… when it’s done with us- we’ll KNOW it! :stuck_out_tongue:

These are questions only you can answer. It’s not my job to prove anything but yours to disprove, in doing so lies the truth. I can tell you my findings but what good is that going to do when you already have your answers. Believing in something is not the same as knowing something. It’s not about your right and I’m wrong it’s about finding the truth. Why do I care so much? I have children like most do. If you watch this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEWoPzaDmOA it might help if your willing to invest an hour. I am not here to argue with anyone because it wont do any good.

Can I ask you an honest question? Have you ever tried to disprove Global Warming to find if it was true or just listen to those who tell us its truth.

Excellent, You have chosen to listen to others then do your own research unless you have and I am mistaken. Induced Human climate change is real 2%, That’s it, like it or not those are the facts. The really big question that no one cares or knows about is why are the other planets in our solar system changing as well? Can you answer that? (Global Warming) is a hundred billion dollar industry! Where is the money going? I really am not here to argue with you and if I offended you in any way I apologies. This is a very heavy subject that heats peoples tempers quickly. I am a truth seeker and rarely ever find government funded groups tell the truth when billions of dollars are at stake. So again, I meant no disrespect to you or your intelligence and offer my apologies again.

No, they were rhetorical questions, and I was asking you, in the hope that by pondering them you might escape your bubble for a moment and gain some perspective. I already know the answers.

I’ll ask again, why do you care so much? It’s seems to me that the issue for you is simply political and perhaps economic(not to mention you are heavily emotionally invested), whereas for myself, and everyone who is concerned about global heating, the issue is existential. Literally everything is at stake.

Actually no, the burden of proof is yours. There is already a strong scientific consensus. It is up to you to falsify that. Especially for something as critically important as this.

Sounds to me like you’re trying to say that scientific enquiry is based upon faith? Ironic.

Exactly.

Oh, you did sort of half answer my question, but with an appeal to emotion.

But tell me, what outcome will be worse for your children, and your grandchildren, and their grandchildren?

Some imaginary globalist conspiracy to drain you of your tax dollars?

Or perhaps the long term effects of global heating will do them far more harm in the long run.

It’s actually doing more harm that good, because by propagating these conspiracy theories you are undermining the political will to do something about this mess.

Yet here you are posting videos of people telling you what to think. And somehow we’re the sheeple?

There’s actually a ton of really good educational scientific content on youtube. Why don’t you watch some of that instead?

Well you seem to have all the answers so there is no arguing with you and the experts. It’s been real, let’s not do it again, mmmkay pumkin. :smiley:

This would be a very expensive conspiracy involving 90% of all researchers in this field. At least if I had to be part in a conspiracy, I’d take a serious amount of money :money_mouth_face: .

I prefer to believe they’re doing a solid scientific job. That’s what we pay them for.

It's definitely possible you are in the right direction and most others aren't.
Many people take the big media for gospel truth, and we know that CNN is a lot of fake news, yet millions of people are using it as their news source. And whatever agenda they are pushing, the average folks, (including myself) take these things for truth.

I don't say they are consiparacy theories, but the 'wise scientist' can't even come to 1 conclusion, and they don't accept a different viewpoint.. It's fun to see how in the 70's people (the other 'wisest scientists' are talking about a returning ice age, and now global warming.. we are talking about 50 years later.. who knows what will happen in 50 years. But, we only have to trust the 'wisest scientists' that the Media uses to push a narrative, others are just speculators and conspiracy theorists.

People think they are smarter than God or can control nature.. just love how they brand all the scientists with different conclusions as conspiracy theorists or global warming deniers...

it's the same as kindergarten....

Hi everyone, please carefully avoid all controversial subjects in this thread. Defending a certain side on hot-button social/political/scientific issues won’t change anybody’s mind on this forum, but it absolutely will lead to a nasty argument, so please avoid such topics at all cost. Thanks a lot.

Climate research has some history, starting with Arrhenius.

Keep in mind the current view doesn’t come out of nothing, neither is it especially new. It originates from more than 120 years old studies and has undergone numerous refinements.

I point this out since some posts create an impression of scientists running around like beheaded chickens. Please stop that comedy and concentrate on the facts.

Edit: Found this on the history - The History of Climate Science

I, too, am only interested in facts. According to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Fifth Assessment Report, almost 100% of the warming observed since 1950 has been human-caused. According to NASA, humans have increased the atmospheric CO2 concentration by 47% since the industrial revolution. This has measurable effects on our climate. For a good summary of the science, see, e.g., National Climate Assessment

The other planets in our solar system are changing due to natural causes. Planets have always changed. There is no evidence of a giant financial conspiracy involved in studying climate change.

yes :THUMBS-UP:

I gave it 12 post before it got locked down. It’s staying surprisingly civil. :wink:

Again, because learning from history is one of the best ways to understand science, if you’re willing to read:

Nice Fringe reference. :+1: