Coronavirus **personal experiences** thread

Not all of them at once, but some medical experts have given in to political pressure in the U.S. and are no longer trustworthy.

It could happen to Fauci, too.

I just joined BLF recently and it’s really funny to see people arguing about COVID and politics on a flashlight forum (:

I think everyone should do what they want. Like masks? Buy one and wear it day and night if it makes you happy. Don’t like masks? Don’t wear one

Thunderay: it is misleading to assert that the globalresearch website claims Dr. Fauci is currently saying that Covid-19 has a death rate similar to the death rate of influenza. The website uses a statement Dr. Fauci made in March about the data they had at that early stage of its spread in North America — and we now know the death rate is many times higher than that. In fact, shortly after that statement was made and consistently thereafter, Dr. Fauci made very different statements about the death rate from Covid-19, based on the data that was increasingly collected in North America as cases increased there.

As for nasal swabs, the advice you are giving is the opposite of the advice given by actual disease and virology experts. See this article: https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/which-test-is-best-for-covid-19-2020081020734

The nasal swab is the best alternative, because it gives fewer false negatives than other methods. Most false positives are the result of errors in the lab, and other problems with how the results are handled or analyzed, not the result of flaws in the test.

One might reasonably ask why you are spinning old data to minimize the danger of the virus at the current time? Why are you discouraging people from taking the most effective type of test for Covid-19, according to the experts?

Well, in my perspective, it ain’t that simple!

If you’re infected and you don’t wear a mask just because it doesn’t make you happy, and you happen to infect me or other people, besides putting many lives at risk (under a medical perspective), you are committing the crime of public propagation of disease (under a legal perspective).

So… happinness and wearing a mask is probably not the best correlation to do here! Actually, wearing a mask doesn’t make me happy, but will probably make me safer (under a scientific perspective).

Of course, if you choose not to wear a mask due to - and I really mean it - STUPID, biased and unfounded beliefs you are just doing it under political perspective.

And, unfortunately, this is the one by which many people in many countries…seem to prefer to be guided! And therefore they will be - again - STUPIDLY putting at risk other peoples lives, the so-called “reopening” and many other things in society, some of which can be framed under an economical perspective.

Thanks Photon Master :slight_smile: After all we still are in a flashlight forum :wink:

About a good headlamp recommendation, I may not be the best person to do that :zipper_mouth_face: I only have 2 so far, so I don’t have much experince with headlamps. Maybe the one from Sofirn can be a good choice, under a budget perspective!
However, if you have some more money to spend, eventually other brands can suit your needs in terms of the required specs :wink:

You've posted multiple times in this thread, and you're just noticing this now?

A lot of this thread is people arguing over COVID-19 and politics.

This would be great news if no second wave occurs. i watch the daily reporting of 215 countries and other entities for new cases and deaths reported. It seems hard to believe that all these entities would be using the same unreliable test? Could this be true and all the daily reports are in error? It may not be as deadly as it was in March, but the daily death rate is nearly the same at about 5k per day. Are these deaths being falsely reported from around the world?

It’s possible to survive a single-lung pneumonia, but double pneumonia is mostly fatal. The covid-19 seems to be a more deadly version of influenza—what is it that you propose people to do in this situation?

Heh-heh, a Bitch Ute…

Nice!

Toilet seat covers and face masks: both are emotionally comforting, but otherwise…… :wink:

The “Bolt Report” out of Australia made some good observations this past week. He points out graphed data showing that the death numbers aren’t rising in conjunction with this spike in detected Covid cases. He also interviews a doctor from a hospital. Not long, worth watching:

I noticed, btw, that no one seems to have picked up on the statement Thunderay linked to:

Pfizer is a large pharma company and I’m sure they stay on top of the information and data on illnesses. Anyone who spent 16 years as their chief science officer would know a thing or two, don’t you suppose?

Excellent points! I wear a mask for those reasons but sometimes I just feel like I don’t have the right to tell other people what to do…

Yeah I’m pumped to get into warm lights! The little woman was complaining the other night when we were walking because I was carrying one of my many 6500K lights. Looking forward to having a 2K for walks outside. Of course then I’ll be buying every other color temp! Expensive hobby (: but so fun

The information coming from Dr. Yeadon about the rate of false positive Covid-19 tests would be very interesting, if Yeadon was talking about something happening in the real world, and if he didn’t misrepresent the figures he took from the source of his false beliefs, and if the source of his false beliefs wasn’t also wrong. However, Yeadon wasn’t talking about anything happening in the real world, and he did misrepresent the figures coming from an Oxford Professor of Medicine, and the professor (the source of Yeadon’s misunderstanding) was also very wrong in not clarifying that his remarks on this subject don’t apply to what is actually happening in the real world.

The reasons are explained here

Summary: The Oxford professor claimed that the false positive rate in the UK was as high as 50. Not almost 100. Yeadon took that statement and exaggerated what the professor said, claiming the false positive rate is 90%. Unfortunately, both the professor and Yeadon were not talking about anything that is really happening, either in the UK or the US.

If the prevalence of the virus in the group being tested is as low as is assumed by the professor (0.11), and subsequently assumed by Yeadon in repeating the professor’s claim, of course the false positive rate will be very high. That’s the way statistics work. However, the 0.11 assumption of prevalence behind the professor’s conclusion was the prevalence of the virus in the entire UK population. But that is not the group being tested. The group being tested in reality is comprised almost entirely of people with symptoms - so the prevalence of the virus in the group being tested is actually much higher, and the false positive rate is actually very low.

We also have other evidence confirming that the false positive test rate is very low. For example, the number of positive tests as a percentage of the whole is growing. And the numbers are not spiking uniformly across the entire country, in the UK or the USA. So the increases in positive tests are not being caused by error. Unfortunately, publication and widespread promoting of false and/or misleading information about testing, like Yeadon’s nonsense, will only result in more distrust of testing, and the medical and scientific community, and that will only make things worse for all of us.

As for Yeadon’s comments about he virus being “over,” that is contrary to the information coming from the vast majority of health experts, epidemiologists, and others with expertise in the relevant fields. I would ask Dr. Yeadon: if the virus is over, why are more people dying of the virus in quite a few states in the USA? Why have the numbers gone up in several European countries? Why are we still dealing with a daily confirmed death rate from the virus of around 1,000, and often over 1,000, even in the past few weeks?

That is really interesting how the number and percentage of fatalities is so much lower now. i’ve wondered about that and what it means. Like the Dr. lady was saying that some folks have a higher basic immunity level and don’t have bad symptoms. Maybe the folks with a very low base immunity level were exposed and died early on, and now the remaining people are “stronger” going forward.

Maybe the medical treatments have improved based upon the early experience and they know how to treat it quicker and more effectively than when it was an unknown surprise that seemed to overwhelm the medical facilities.

The lower death rate in the countries that he viewed is certainly good news

Face masks do reduce the spread of Covid-19 from the wearer to others, and also provide some protection for the wearer, as well. See, e.g.,

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7191114/

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-face-masks-what-you-need-to-know

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/new-study-highlights-new-evidence-that-masks-prevent-coronavirus-spread/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/face-masks-really-do-matter-the-scientific-evidence-is-growing-11595083298

Wellp, after that Pfizer pfiasco known as “Operation Infinite Walrus”, I don’t think I’d trust ’em worth a damn.

Yes, what you say is true, so far as it goes. Masks do reduce the spread from the wearer to others, but not by as great a magnitude as most mask wearers imagine. And they provide some protection for the wearer, provided the wearer manages to avoid contaminating the mask during use (which is IMO very difficult to avoid).

It is interesting to note that Fauci said in early March,

Granted, Fauci said this in part because he felt motivated to keep people from using up a limited mask supply which was needed for medical personnel. But we can draw a couple of points from this nonetheless. First, Fauci admits that masks’ efficacy is notably imperfect; nevertheless, many people prefer to ignore this fact and they both practice and regard mask wearing with something approaching a religious fervor (note incidents of violence against non-wearers). Second, Fauci was willing to sacrifice the safety of individuals for the sake of an agenda (the agenda being to reduce demand for masks), allegedly on the hypothesis that it would save more lives in the long run to have the masks in hospital settings. After all, he said that even in the middle of an outbreak, mask wearing is not recommended. Third, Fauci was willing to either lie or exaggerate for the sake of an agenda, which raises the question of how we can trust Fauci since we cannot know if he is prevaricating more since that time for the sake of some agenda (known to him but not to us); he was willing to say that mask wearing is not advised in the middle of an outbreak, yet beginning a couple of weeks later (and continuing to this day) Fauci has been saying the exact opposite, so Fauci is on record as an untrustworthy source.

Doesn’t all of this assume that the test is fundamentally giving an accurate result? The PCR test is the most prevalent type; it tries to detect a small strand that is present in SARS-COV-2 (by an amplification method), but the same small strand is present in some other coronaviruses (which have been around for a long time and cause colds), so the test detects far more than the virus in question. Moreover, the strand being detected can be long dead and inactive, yet the person whose test comes back ‘positive’ is treated as though he is currently infected even though he isn’t. To analogize, it’s like this test looks for a needle in a haystack by finding a shard of what might have been a needle and replicating it to a detectable level; in the process it picks up pieces of needles, plus bobby pins and safety pins also. The most prevalent testing method is demonstrably flawed, and numerous anecdotal incidents of false positives have been recorded.

Hi everyone, the political and controversial discussions here need to stop. I don’t want to close this thread, as there are still some non-controversial aspects of this topic that affect us all. However, I will have to close it if the rules aren’t followed.

Please understand that I am not picking sides on any of the issues at stake. I respect everyone’s individual right to form their own opinions and conclusions, but I also require that you not share them here with a view to peace for the forum. Thanks in advance for making the necessary changes.

OK. It stands to reason that any post touching on factual issues on any topic can be controversial to somebody. So, it seems all of those posts violate the rules. I have to assume that responding to any statements in such posts also violates the rules. Accordingly, I will no longer post any responses to false or misleading information of any kind posted here. I want to follow the rules.

This is one of currently two threads about highly polarizing political topics. Both should be closed.