[Update]Wurkkos dual LEDs 21700 Headlamp design Photos/UI update~

Meanwhile I have read Lumeniac’s review. The driver sucks. Good conception, good UI… And a cheap driver inside. :person_facepalming:

wow, that is kinda big and heavy for a headlight, maybe as a helmet mounted,

The Fireflies PL47 is 78g and this is 130g unloaded, too heavy for me. I don’t think I’ll stock this model.

What do you expect for this price point? Sofirn don’t usually use regulated drivers

You don’t want a too narrow spot though, most people would want something with a wider spread. I’m guessing Wurrkos wanted the spot to blend with the flood.

Just measured my last one in stock, its 86g unloaded and 156g incl 50E battery.

Ah, no, just the PL47 and battery. Okay, so not too bad then if that’s what you’re including. I may buy one and see what I think depending on what I’m quoted as a dealer. It just doesn’t look so appealing though

Serious question: What would you like to be changed in terms of HD20's look? Or is it just the overall impression because it is bigger in size?

With the right kind of advertising HD20 may have some more potential. I believe there are more applications than using it attached to the forehead only.

Guys take it easy with the criticism :weary:.

This has taken some effort and yes it’s a little different and not perfect but I am sure Lux and Barry will keep working on making it just the way you like it.

I am a kind of guy who strongly believe in develpoment.

Yeah, so much effort to made cheapest PWM driver with few components and no stabilization . They made much more complicated charging circuit with most primitive led driver and dishonored one off the best UI’s :person_facepalming:

I am confident that sooner or later both Sofirn and Wurkkos will also have flashlights with more efficient drivers (buck-boost, CC+DD, <you name it>). They have proven already that they are able to make them, e.g. Sofirn's SP33 V2 with the 6V XHP50.2 or C8G with the 12V XHP35 HI. So, my guess is that developing more complex drivers require higher (material) costs and more time for individual development. Unlike some other manufacturers they are very flexible and quick in developing new models for very reasonable prices. Sofirn and Wurkkos are in tough competition with other manufacturers and brands, so pricing is a key element.

With that said, it needs both patience and careful awareness raising to convince them of the benefits that offer what we call "fully regulated" drivers. I mentioned this more than once already. The regular budget customer will probably not care about diminishing brightness with a depleting battery as this is still very common in most (budget) flashlights. These costumers however care a lot about a competitive and affordable prices. As much as I hate to say it: BLF is not the majority of customers. But we can try to help manufacturers improve their lights step by step and get closer to what we would call "the perfect solution".

Personally, I would like the idea of having two lines, a budget product line and a premium product line...

IMHO, premium means...

  • complex high efficiency drivers with "full" stabilization
  • premium anodization (at least HA-III or better)
  • top grade (CNC) manufacturing and smooth finish (e.g. chamfered edges)
  • hand-picked top flux and chromaticity bins
  • high quality packaging (see Olight's card board boxes for reference)
  • 5+ years of warranty

Certainly, all this comes with a totally different price.

Yeah, I’ve been fighting for simple UI’s because the majority of consumers aren’t going to want Anduril on their flashlights. Anduril is great but the average user hates it, my stock with Anduril is extremely hard to sell. I’ve had an Astrolux EC01 in stock for over 12 months, everyone wants simplicity.

I agree that not many care about regulated drivers at this price point, I certainly don’t

The C8G was a big fail though since the Turbo had a step down timer of 30 seconds, I don’t know what they were thinking.

i see nothing wrong with simple driver, average user won’t know the difference, they want simple reliable light, if it loses 5% of battery to heat they do not care, but it is still pretty big and heavy for a headlamp, great 90* flashlight thou.

Oh, i see, simple boost or buck circuit someone is calling a “Premium” thing. Wake up its 2020.

This competes with a few other dual (spot/flood) headlamps. The Fenix HM65R comes to mind. Weight wise, its not the heaviest in its battery-class. I think it missing a low power red LED that would have been the frosting on the cake, but its half the price of its true competition. I still think that this would make a great mtn.bike light… tune your perfect lighting and put it on the bar or helmet.

Yeah, one man’s trash is another man’s treasure. :laughing:

Please show me some real competitor to HD20 using a buck/boost driver, both price-wise and feature-wise. ;-)

Armytek's Wizard Pro (using XHP50.2 with a 6V boost driver) for instance has less features and costs more than twice.

Your main competitor and it wins :smiley:

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