Lumintop Tool AA 2.0 vs Convoy T2

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Lumintop Tool AA 2.0 vs Convoy T2

Which one is better? Question

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I really enjoy using Convoy lights but could not get the T2 because it does not support 14500 cells. Lumintop Tool gets the nod.

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LarryLumens wrote:
I really enjoy using Convoy lights but could not get the T2 because it does not support 14500 cells. Lumintop Tool gets the nod.

Convoy T2 does not officially support 14500 batteries (Simon says it will get hot), but many people have tested using 14500 with it, and it appears to work. But then again, being unofficial it means, the extra heat associated with using 14500 may damaged the driver? And likely the T2 may not have LVP (low-voltage protection) when using 14500 batteries.

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Thanks for the clarification on the T2. I dont use google and couldnt get a definitive answer like the one you provided. This is why I enjoy this place so much.

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Thanks for the replies! I’ll be ordering a panda (white) Tool 2.0. Cash

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There’s a new version of the t2. I prefer using it because of the larger housing and the tint option. It heats up less on high mode with nimh. It has more focused beam than the tool aa. And also it supports 14500 now.

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Ultratac A1.

AA or 14500 support. L-M-H no mode memory, no blinkies. Does have a greenish tint though.

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Markovich357 wrote:
There’s a new version of the t2. I prefer using it because of the larger housing and the tint option. It heats up less on high mode with nimh. It has more focused beam than the tool aa. And also it supports 14500 now.

Hum, when you mean “larger housing”, what does it mean? Are you referring to the MCPCB size it can take?
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MascaratumB wrote:
Markovich357 wrote:
There’s a new version of the t2. I prefer using it because of the larger housing and the tint option. It heats up less on high mode with nimh. It has more focused beam than the tool aa. And also it supports 14500 now.
Hum, when you mean “larger housing”, what does it mean? Are you referring to the MCPCB size it can take?

Just my guess of what is meant:

Convoy T2 has a slightly bigger physical body than the Lumintop Tool AA 2.0.

Tool AA 2.0 uses XPL-HD or XP-L2 LED, results in sort of a more floody beam pattern.
Convoy T2 with XP-G2 will have a more focused/throwy beam pattern (the Nichia 219C variant of Convoy T2 will still be a bit floody though).

The newer Convoy T2 apparently uses a more regulated driver (in my test, it will only limit using up to a certain amount of power), unlike the Tool AA 2.0 which appears to be direct-driven.
(the older Convoy T2 seems to also be direct-driven?)

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d_t_a wrote:
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Markovich357 wrote:
There’s a new version of the t2. I prefer using it because of the larger housing and the tint option. It heats up less on high mode with nimh. It has more focused beam than the tool aa. And also it supports 14500 now.
Hum, when you mean “larger housing”, what does it mean? Are you referring to the MCPCB size it can take?

Just my guess of what is meant:

Convoy T2 has a slightly bigger physical body than the Lumintop Tool AA 2.0.

Tool AA 2.0 uses XPL-HD or XP-L2 LED, results in sort of a more floody beam pattern.
Convoy T2 with XP-G2 will have a more focused/throwy beam pattern (the Nichia 219C variant of Convoy T2 will still be a bit floody though).

The newer Convoy T2 apparently uses a more regulated driver (in my test, it will only limit using up to a certain amount of power), unlike the Tool AA 2.0 which appears to be direct-driven.
(the older Convoy T2 seems to also be direct-driven?)

Oh, ok, now I see what was meant Facepalm
Thanks for explaining d_t_a. Thumbs Up
I was thinking about the T2 MCPCB because the “old” version takes 14mm LED boards, and I thought the “new version” would take larger ones (16mm in this case,which would be good).

Due to this I actually sent a message to Simon in AliExpress asking about that. Let’s see what he replies.

I have a T2 and it is a nice light. I’ve modded it so it doesn’t have the original pieces anymore. It was nice, but lacking something…Maybe the new driver + Nichia is something to try Wink

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d_t_a wrote:
MascaratumB wrote:
Markovich357 wrote:
There’s a new version of the t2. I prefer using it because of the larger housing and the tint option. It heats up less on high mode with nimh. It has more focused beam than the tool aa. And also it supports 14500 now.
Hum, when you mean “larger housing”, what does it mean? Are you referring to the MCPCB size it can take?

Just my guess of what is meant:

Convoy T2 has a slightly bigger physical body than the Lumintop Tool AA 2.0.

Tool AA 2.0 uses XPL-HD or XP-L2 LED, results in sort of a more floody beam pattern.
Convoy T2 with XP-G2 will have a more focused/throwy beam pattern (the Nichia 219C variant of Convoy T2 will still be a bit floody though).

The newer Convoy T2 apparently uses a more regulated driver (in my test, it will only limit using up to a certain amount of power), unlike the Tool AA 2.0 which appears to be direct-driven.
(the older Convoy T2 seems to also be direct-driven?)

Yep. That sums it up. I really like the new version of it. I read some reviews of the older version and almost didn’t buy the light because of the annoying strobe and PWM issues but the new update was nice. Simple 4 mode UI and good regulation as well. It’s my new workhorse. Will try to achieve a more focused beam by adding a thin copper washer between the reflector and the led. An M4 size washer maybe? I hope it doesn’t affect the efficiency of the reflector and just add a bit more intensity to the beam. I also noticed that the glass was wobbly and making some noise when I shake the light so I changed the glow ring with a bit thicker ring to hold it in place.

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jon_slider wrote:
"This review says the T2 has PWM":http://budgetlightforum.com/node/62982 "This review says the Tool has NoPWM":http://budgetlightforum.com/node/65392[/quote]

 

That T2 review is of OLD gen.

Brand new T2 hasn't been tested yet.

 

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Markovich357 wrote:
Yep. That sums it up. I really like the new version of it. I read some reviews of the older version and almost didn’t buy the light because of the annoying strobe and PWM issues but the new update was nice. Simple 4 mode UI and good regulation as well. It’s my new workhorse. Will try to achieve a more focused beam by adding a thin copper washer between the reflector and the led. An M4 size washer maybe? I hope it doesn’t affect the efficiency of the reflector and just add a bit more intensity to the beam. I also noticed that the glass was wobbly and making some noise when I shake the light so I changed the glow ring with a bit thicker ring to hold it in place.

Thanks for confirming d_t_a’s explanation Wink

I may be in for some more of these lights, to mod for 14500 only! I like how resistant it is and good it is to mod Wink

Thanks again!

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 Just bought gen2 Convoy T2, AA and 14500 cells supported and confirmed by Simon that this one is PWM free.

Convoy T2 gen2

T2 new driver

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thanks for sharing updated facts
sounds great, congrats

what features make you choose the convoy over the tool?

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jon_slider wrote:
thanks for sharing updated facts sounds great, congrats what features make you choose the convoy over the tool?

Thx Jonathan.

I read on several places that it has better beam than Tool and a lot of option to mod with different drivers and batteries.

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jon_slider wrote:
thanks for sharing updated facts
sounds great, congrats

what features make you choose the convoy over the tool?


Hum, having both, under a modder perspective, I would say that the pros of the Tool AA are:
- less weight
- smaller in length,
- smaller in diameter
In resume, more elegant and more EDC’able.

The pros of the Convoy T2 (old version):
- more robust,
- takes 17mm drivers
- takes 14mm or slightly larger MCPCBs
- can take screw-in clips
- can take forward clicky swithces more easily.
- has a shelf, which is better for heat dissipation
In resume, more moddable, and a true “beat me” flashlight.

In terms of user interface, I didn’t like any of both, so I replaced the drivers and also the Leds.

While stock, the T2 had better beam than the Tool AA, due to the led used and the OP reflector.

As for the T2 with the new driver, I can’t speak about it!

Here’s a physical comparison:
Sofirn SF10 > Sofirn SF14 > Convoy T2 > Jaxman E3 > Lumintop Tool AA

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blind-eye wrote:
Which one is better?

sounds like
For a modder, Convoy

For a non modder, Tool

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Tool AA are:
… more elegant and more EDC’able.

very helpful, as always
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Thanks Jon Wink

Well, about which one is better, it truly depends!

It will decompose it in several dimmensions:

1) If you want a brighter flahslight, you’ll choose the Tool AA.
BUT, for it to be brighter, you need to use 14500 batteries.
BUT using 14500s will make the light heat faster.
SO, having a thinner pill/body, the Tool AA will probably hang on less time and will eventually become hotter than the T2.
In this case, it should also be considered that the flahslight doesn’t have DTP MCPCB, only a 1mm aluminium pill, less ideal for heat dissipation.

On the contrary, if you want a flashlight that can probably handle somemore heat for some more time, the T2 may be the route.

2) If you want a more elegant, leightweight and discrete flashligt, you’ll choose the Tool AA.

3) If you want a “Strobe-less” flashlight, you will chose the new Convoy T2.

4) If you want a flashlight capable of falling and taking some beat and still be working in a reliable way, you’ll choose the Convoy T2.

5) If you want a flashlight capable of deep carry, you probably choose the T2 (and a screw-in clip and some bolts and screws :D)

6) If you a want a flashlight that you can fix more easily, you’ll choose a T2.

7) If you want a light with more Leds choice, you’ll pick the T2.

8) If you want a flashlight in different colours or materials, you will chose a Tool AA

So…there may be some ifs when saying which is bettter or not Wink
It will depend on the use!

I’ll tell you that in the beginning of the year I set my EDC and it included 2 Tool AAs (modded), and they work flawlessly!
But now I am thinking about modding a T2 or a Jaxman E2 for more robutness, specially because I use 14500s and the Tools get hot!

So, chosing will depend on the needs and uses Wink

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You guys should throw the Lumintop Vega into the mix as well;
https://drop.com/buy/drop-vega-aa-14500-aluminum-flashlight

80cri with Good build quality and more beef than regular AA Tool
Best part is you will be carrying a flashlight most people do not even know about due to being Drop exclusive.
Have the Olive one and love it.

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my personal preference is the Copper option of the Tool

others may enjoy the Titanium options

which is best?
for whom?
LOL LOL LOL

the short answer, Both is Best

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Muto wrote:
You guys should throw the Lumintop Vega into the mix as well;
https://drop.com/buy/drop-vega-aa-14500-aluminum-flashlight

80cri with Good build quality and more beef than regular AA Tool
Best part is you will be carrying a flashlight most people do not even know about due to being Drop exclusive.
Have the Olive one and love it.

The olive one is stuck in my memory since it was relased Wink

I never bought one because I knew I would be trying to mod it, but the e-switch would eventually interfere with my “needs”.

It is shorter and more attractive than the regular ones , and surely the 80CRI is a plus when getting it Wink

As for the copper and titanium ones…I hope I can still manage funds to grab one of each in some time Wink

They surely worth it Blushing

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MascaratumB wrote:
Muto wrote:
You guys should throw the Lumintop Vega into the mix as well;
https://drop.com/buy/drop-vega-aa-14500-aluminum-flashlight

80cri with Good build quality and more beef than regular AA Tool
Best part is you will be carrying a flashlight most people do not even know about due to being Drop exclusive.
Have the Olive one and love it.

The olive one is stuck in my memory since it was relased Wink

I never bought one because I knew I would be trying to mod it, but the e-switch would eventually interfere with my “needs”.

It is shorter and more attractive than the regular ones , and surely the 80CRI is a plus when getting it Wink

As for the copper and titanium ones…I hope I can still manage funds to grab one of each in some time Wink

They surely worth it Blushing

The AA Vega is not a e-switch, that was a mistake in the description when released.
Regular reverse clicky.

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Muto wrote:

The AA Vega is not a e-switch, that was a mistake in the description when released.
Regular reverse clicky.

Seems like you’ve said it to me before but I forgot Facepalm
http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1620223#comment-1620223

So…that opens some possibilites Evil
Thanks for confirming!!!

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Ultratac A1.

AA or 14500 support. L-M-H no mode memory, no blinkies. Does have a greenish tint though.

I agree with this guy. Only on NiMh though. On Li-Ion low is too high and mid is too close to high. Very nice on NiMh.

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I noticed that Simon is now offering LH351D’s for the T2, which kind of piqued my interest.

Has anyone gotten their hands on one yet?

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I’ve just ordered a new-model T2 with a 5000K LH351D, but it’ll be at least three weeks before I see it.

I already have a new-model T2 with a 4000K Nichia 219C, which I like the mode spacing and beam profile of, but 4000K is a bit warm for my taste. It’s still good enough to be my current belt EDC, though.

My belt EDC before that was a Tool AA with 4500K Nichia 219B for about six months. It’s a good light, but I like the T2 design better. I prefer the T2’s notably tighter focus, the better mode spacing and the fact that it’s built like a tank, although the Tool’s 4500K LED is more to my taste visually.

Before the Tool, my belt EDC was a BLF 348. I used that one for years. I still carry one around the house with me on my pyjama waistband Smile

I do have an old-model T2 with a 4500K XP-G2, but it’s never seen service because the PWM is horrible. It’s the one light I have where I can actually see the PWM, so I’m keeping it as my bad PWM example!

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I might spring for one in LH351D – I already have an Osram C8+ in cart anyway.

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