Coronavirus **personal experiences** thread

Great stuff! Now we have “sponsor requirements” and virus as military weapon allegations, and “lobbying” allegations - so many unsubstantiated conspiracy theories! I’m going to stop looking at the research output of infectious disease experts and epidemiologists and devote all my free time to looking into those well-supported allegations.

According to the numbers, Covid 19 is reported to be about 5 times more deadly than the flu. Many state’s ICUs are running close to capacity and getting worse.
It is killing older, sicker people at a very high rate. Young people have a responsibility to help slow the spread. We simply do not have that much excess capacity in our hospitals if this snowballs out of control. The younger generation understandably is hesitant to curtail their daily activities since they are pretty safe but they also have to understand their importance in stopping the spread. Other countries that have successfully achieved this are able to get their economies rolling again. If you have to resort to lock downs you have already lost the battle. Testing, tracing and isolating are the keys to controlling the spread and our country has done poorly in that respect.

Death numbers are now going up. The lag behind increases in case numbers was in part due to the infection increase taking hold first in populations of younger and healthier people (schools opened). Now, those people are spreading it to older and sicker people, and the death counts are going up. Also, more people are not wearing masks and social distancing now in the general population.

The true mortality rate of seasonal flu is estimated at 0.1 maximum, while that of COVID-19 is estimated as 0.6. That makes COVID at least six times deadlier than the seasonal flu, not twice as deadly.

That is totally subjective.

The way you treat the data can totally change the overall picture. The exact figure is definitely bellow 0.1% In fact, there is no strict scientific (medical) methodology, there is only QUOTA.

Which flu ? According to numbers (correctly treated) the 2020 flu “exceptionally called COVID-19” is not worse than 2017 flu figures.

Why would you need to stop the entire economy because of a seasonal flu ? Look at this diagram, what is the main cause of death ? Should we stop selling alcohol, cigarettes and sugar because of cardiovascular diseases ? Did the (((WHO))) killed low and middle class economy because people are suffering from heart diseases ? Of course not.

Our economy is going to slow regardless if the government does nothing at all. Much less has brought our economy to it’s knees. 9/11 was a one day event that caused a recession. We are not even at the 1 year mark and the world wide death toll , even with much mitigation, is still much higher than most flus. Deaths due to car accidents and whatnot are irrelevant.
The Spanish flu is close. Much can be learned by studying how deaths surged in cities that ignored it. I maintain that if this wasn’t an election year we probably would not be having this conversation.

Elections and politicians are just entertainment.
By the way, the so-called “Spanish flu” wasn’t coming from Spain.

You don’t have seasonal flu on that chart. But even if you assume incorrectly that lower respiratory infections is a equivalent variable representing the seasonal flu, the numbers on the chart disprove your conclusion. We’re only a half-year into the pandemic in most of the world. We could easily see the world death total from COVID-19 go well over 2.5 million in one year - even with the distancing, masks and shutdowns of entire nations that we’ve seen so far. Without any social distancing or masks or shutdowns from the beginning, that number could have been reached in a year within the USA alone, according to epidemiologists. So, the data in your graph is not at all supportive of your conclusion.

The origin of Covid is also irrelevant. Just a distraction.

These psychopaths are quite good clairvoyants, aren’t they ??

They will try to use this CV19 nonsense to force the vaccines on everyone…


***The Truth about Vaccines***

Primary Reasons Not To Get The Flu Shot
http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/?p=12642

Dissecting the Corona vaccine
https://vaccineresistancemovement.org/?p=15814

There are cheap natural cures and treatments without the need for any poison by the big m@f$a$$$…

For those who are still under this dark spell :person_facepalming: , stop wasting your time, and please… just wake up…

I’m kinda disappointed that you didn’t tie George Soros into all this. But I’m grateful we don’t have any psychopaths posting in this thread. :+1:

Don’t be cutting us short quite yet. :wink:

Well, I think he’s too busy destabilizing countries and supporting paid clowns of the peaceful color revolutions with the hand signs, around the planet … :slight_smile:

THIS.

There is a lot of stupid out there that tries to hide behind Google search results found.

This can’t be said enough. Viruses can spring up anywhere around the world. It’s how that locale deals with it that matters. If the virus started in the USA, the efforts to contain it would’ve kicked in later than it did in China. And that’s largely due to China being a more authoritarian state. Talk about shutting down… Wuhan was locked down pretty quickly. It would’ve been sufficient with respect to previous SARS outbreaks. But COVID19 proved itself to be a much harder problem to tackle, for its extremely long asymptomatic phase—that didn’t become apparent until many months later. Unlike anything ever before seen in virology. Once out of China, it became the global pandemic Corona Virus. And that’s all it should ever be referred to as being. Blaming it on China is a stupid, ignorant distraction that accomplishes nothing. It’s a weak ego blame game, to deflect responsibility. It’s a global issue now. Every country needs to step up & do it right. Citizens massing together to resist the proper measures “in the name of freedom” have only exacerbated it. Darwin at work.

The Soros Foundation promotes democratic institutions and healthcare for the poor - which, of course, authoritarian regimes describe as “destabilizing countries.” You know that’s true, dovarich.

And the Covid-19 pandemic was predicted years ago, not by clairvoyants, but by scientists. See, e.g.,

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/06/scientists-predicted-coronavirus-pandemic/613003/

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/07/coronavirus-epidemic-prediction-policy-advice-121172

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200325-covid-19-the-history-of-pandemics

Dasvidaniya!

The irony of attacking Johns Hopkins data as biased because of a philanthropic contribution is so 2020. Johns Hopkins was of course just another Bill Gates. His money left an institution that has contributed significantly to society for generations. Many significant breakthroughs and lasting positive impact. In 2020 Tucker Carlson can be seen as authoritative and Johns Hopkins, the institution, as suspect and biased. Bizzaro world indeed.

As I child I remember the old timers talking about the 1918 pandemic. I remember seeing many people with Polio braces and other deformities from that infectious disease. I remember measles and mumps. I remember the Swine Flu debacle. The scientists don’t always get it right for sure. However, there has been real and meaningful progress in my lifetime that is now being destroyed by people who promote ideas that simply are not true.

Watching the IHME projections a month ago I was hoping they would be wrong. They have changed their models several times because in the end they have no control over peoples’ behavior and can only guess how people will act. Apparently they were guessing pretty well as their projections from a month ago are being born out in the numbers today. When I see a long track record of predicting the future of such a complex thing be reasonably accurate I give that some serious credence. Nothing on the other side has come close to an accurate representation of future reality.

The idea that COVID is not that deadly and that the numbers are the result of bias is as ludicrous as the 10,000 lumen claims for single XM-L lights. In order to believe that this is not that deadly one would have to believe that the mass graves were some sort of stunt. That somehow the excess deaths that are being recorded — significantly higher that those attributed to COVID — are not really happening. Or, back to the flashlight example, that the CREE data sheets are biased and the ebay seller claiming 10,000 lumen actually has the accurate number.

What’s really troubling is that things like QAnon are going mainstream. Even working their way into government.

Yes, I need to post on the other thread about movies you watched last. The Social Dilemma. Very unsettling with what is going on today. Of course it is just an evolution of the the fundamentals defined by Whitaker and Baxter. Just far more potent with advances in technology. Also there is no longer any attempt even at some sort of moral value. Pure exploitation in order to gain power. Lee Atwater would be amazed at how far things have progressed in such a short time.

More and more stuff to scroll by without reading. This topic risks becoming trollbait.

Eschew!

Meanwhile, in the real world:

https://s2.washingtonpost.com/camp-rw/?trackId=5ced5692ade4e21968ecfd82&s=5f99d6f79d2fda0efb5686a0&linknum=1&linktot=55

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Yep. And how many of you youngsters remember seeing smallpox-marked faces around you every day, as a normal thing?
And do you know why you don’t have a smallpox inoculation scar on your arm, when the old folks around you all do have them?

Remember that when you hear an anti-vaccination rant.