【ツ】Wurkkos TS30 + TS30S Sales Thread - available on wurkkos.com, Amazon & AliExpress

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Or their integrating sphere isn’t calibrated correctly.

For example the ANSI rating for the IF25 was 2300 lumens and it was only 1600. This has been an issue on almost every model

Earlier models were almost exact or lower to what we tested

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Funtastic wrote:
Or their integrating sphere isn’t calibrated correctly.

For example the ANSI rating for the IF25 was 2300 lumens and it was only 1600. This has been an issue on almost every model

Earlier models were almost exact or lower to what we tested

Ha, you beat me to this.. I was also about to mention the big observed “lumens” discrepancy of the Sofirn IF25 versus its claimed ratings…

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Well, that's displeasing... Sad Can you please point me to the thread which deals with this issue on IF25? Anyway, thank you for sharing this information here.

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https://youtu.be/jpTxjUQGa9I

I got no higher than 1650 myself and 910 using only the 2700K

I’d have to retest using a 40T

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Ah...Flashoholics's review...thank you. Maybe I can check with Sofirn if they became aware of that problem.

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Ah…Flashoholics’s review…

Probably worth being careful with KGT/Flashaholic’s measurements. Not sure if you recall things from a couple years ago with the KGT light box, but long story short, their measurements tend to differ significantly from others here. Maybe there’s someone with a set of maukka’s calibration reference lights?

Then again, anyone with a tube-style integrating device will tend to have higher numbers for throwers, due to the nature of the measurement tool. Accurate measurements are hard.

However, I agree that the numbers given sound a bit high. Available data on the emitter suggests that ~6000 lm is probably unrealistic even for bare-emitter test results, much less out-the-front output.

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Regarding Andúril, I was told that Wurkkos has adopted the latest revision (464.1.20) for Sofirn’s SP36

That’s an unusual revision to use… it only ever existed as an intermediate revision on a dev branch.

The most recent right now is fsm r485. I don’t think it has any major updates which would affect the SP36 though… just an improvement to thermal behavior in r472.

Otherwise, the next major update is Anduril2, which still needs a lot more testing before considering it for production use.

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[...] However, I agree that the numbers given sound a bit high. Available data on the emitter suggests that ~6000 lm is probably unrealistic even for bare-emitter test results, much less out-the-front output.

Agreed, the only way to be sure about the actual output is to compare TS30S with some similar lights like FT03S, XT45 II or NI40 in Sofirn's laboratory. Or...we wait for a TS30S prototype to be tested by someone who has both these lights and some tools to measure lux and lumens.

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[...] That's an unusual revision to use... it only ever existed as an intermediate revision on a dev branch. The most recent right now is fsm r485. I don't think it has any major updates which would affect the SP36 though... just an improvement to thermal behavior in r472. Otherwise, the next major update is Anduril2, which still needs a lot more testing before considering it for production use.

Thanks for the advice. I check with Mark to see how r485 can be implemented. I am not sure if Wurkkos would be willing to test Andúril 2.0 with their TS30S prototypes but maybe this could turn out to be beneficial for both sides. Smile

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If you look at the tailcap you will see rather thick and short double springs to reduce contact resistance and to provide optimal current flow. I asked Wurkkos to check for a direct spring bypass but they fear the soldered bondings might break someday whereas double springs will still be reliable.

Yep! Soldered bonding did tear off slowly, bcos of twisting the tailcap frequently…but looking closer, the position of soldered blob are not meant to provide direct contact to battery but to the below of the top level of the spring. Even the solder blob completely eroded but stop at the top of the spring, there will be left some remained solder blob that still attach with the wire below of the spring.

Nevertheless, still not a big deal. Double spring still fav of the mass bcos it look so gripped and modern. People will not get it regard internal resistance anyway.

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You want to avoid having a spring bypass, it’s unreliable further down the road

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Anduril driver, a nice big strike bezel like the smaller one on my Klarus XT11GT and sporting a SBT90,2? Sounds like fun to me Big Smile The dimensions are almost that of the NI40, Head 53mm length 153mm. How well will this handle the rapid heat produced by the SBT90.2? If it can handle turbo for 1 minute or so I would definitely be interested in one. I say add more mass to the head for better heat control or something different that no one else is doing. I would rather it be heavier to handle the heat then it be lighter and only hold turbo mode for 15 to 30 seconds. Can’t wait to see some more accurate numbers on this light. BTW, Who is Wurkkos? to many flashlight companies now lol.

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BTW did I mention, Very interested, looks good Thumbs Up

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Get the SBT90R red beam finally will update the testing result soon Blushing it is a really crazy and expensive red LED Facepalm

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any update?

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I'm interested in one red one.

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Update:

TS30S and TS30R are delayed in order to put some priority on some other new flashlights being launched in the near future. I hope I can get some more news anytime soon. Thanks for being patient. Stay tuned...

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Get the SBT90R red beam finally will update the testing result soon Blushing it is a really crazy and expensive red LED :FACEPALM:

Due to low interest / demand in TS30R and disproportionally high costs for SBT90-R, Wurkkos is looking for an alternative emitter. They have found an interesting LED at significantly lower costs which could be almost as powerful as SBT90-R but with a dominant wavelength of 614nm (amber, i.e. "orange" light color). Let's wait and see what their testing results will be.

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Not too good for hunting though, needs to be closer to 660nm

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Funtastic wrote:
Not too good for hunting though, needs to be closer to 660nm

I agree with you. But Luminus SBT90-R costs about $ 57.00 per each. That drives the sales price of TS30R into regions that only few customers will be willing to spend. After talking to some resellers Acebeam's K30GT or K75 using SBT90-R are so called shelf-warmers with veeeery few sold items so far. As much as I would have loved Wurkkos to build this light, there is a too high risk they will never meet break even in selling it. SBT90-R would be around 625nm dominant wavelengh which is what I call "standard red" but far from deep red.

The alternative LED they may take into consideration is called Osram Ostar Projection Power LE A P0MQ which can be driven up to 10A with an output of approx. 1,400 lumens. This is really close to SBT90-R but at a lower current. 614nm amber colored light will be nice to cut through fog as there's significantly less backscatter at this wavelength.

 

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definitely interested in that TS30S Thumbs Up
( without this dandelion engraver Bezel )

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I don’t have an SBT90 light yet. Don’t like any of the currently available lights, but this one looks perfect. I hope it gets released soon.

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Any news?

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jp9mm wrote:
Any news?

Production of TS30S is scheduled to start in about two weeks, as far as I am informed.

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Interested

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I’m interested in the TS30S with no strike bezel.

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I’m interested in the TS30S with no strike bezel.

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Update (2020-11-24):

Assembly of TS30S (with Luminus SBT90.2) will commence at the end of this week. IIRC, Wurkkos will probably be using the same Andúril revision number that Sofirn used in SC31 Pro (2020-03-18?). I will soon give an update about another new Wurkkos flashlight called TS30 (with Luminus SST-40 and the FC11 UI), to be launched even before TS30S.

Meanwhile, Mark gave me a brief look at the current status of TS30A today...

  • TS30A is currently in prototyping, the reflector geometry will soon be confirmed. So far, the TS30S head seems quite appropriate for Osram's LE A P0MQ even exceeding TS30S's throw numbers due to its smaller LED die size.
  • I cannot tell what driver the prototype uses but the final version of TS30A will be using a constant current driver. Not sure, if it's a buck driver converting the high battery voltage down to the low Vf of Osram's LE A P0MQ. The LED can be driven up to 8A of continuous peak current. Output is rated about 1.200 - 1.400lm at this current.
  • According to personal perception the so called amber tint (specified with 614nm wavelength) looks much more like red instead of orange or even yellow.

Below, some quick shots of the prototype incl. whitewall beamshots that Mark kindly shared with me to post them on BLF:

 

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Update (2020-12-24)

Wurkkos has just released their new models TS30 and TS30S for sale on AliExpress, see updated OP with promotion discounts.

Stock will also be available soon at the Amazon FBA warehouse (USA). Sales on Amazon EU will start as of 2021.

TS30A is still in ongoing development.

 

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Huh the TS30A looks interesting! I love my C01R for indoor use, but I’d love a good outdoor-use red light Big Smile

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