Candela and throw for Emisar D4SV2 with Osram W2

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Candela and throw for Emisar D4SV2 with Osram W2

I see that Hank is now offering the D4SV2 with Osram W2s.

He doesn’t state candela the website, I am guessing it will be higher than the quoted 58,000 candela for the XPL-HD?

I was wondering whether anyone has any data/estimate on the probable metres throw or candela.

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From a post on another thread:

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With WF2s the D4S hits 630m+ of throw. Throw is very roughly emitter die area:reflector/optics diameter and I’d say the D4S hangs with C8s in that regard. Think of it this way, each die of a XHP50.2 is basically an XP-G3, and you have to push one almost as hard as the D4S runs at max to get any significant throw.

Candela is somewhere too, but I do not remember where. Either in another thread or on Vinh’s site. But it is an amazing light with great throw and enough flood for most ordinary purposes in the woods.
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Shame there aren’t any warm/neutral tints available.

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Just got mine, I have the other flavors, none throw like this does; gives my KR 1 a run for the money with far more lumens via larger hotspot. KR1 is SST40 @5k.

I agree with OP, numbers on this would be impressive and helpful.

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I only know he has it because I have been watching the D4sV2 on Vinh’s website for awhile now, so here is Vinh’s numbers for it with w2. These are by no means my numbers, I copied this info from https://skylumen.com/products/emmisar-d4svn-v2-best-26650-light-r?_pos=1...

White2 5400K 4600L, 100Kcd, 633m

And from what I hear and read Vinh puts a lot of stock in the accuracy of his numbers and ratings. I would tend to trust his numbers over some manufacturers numbers (not necessarily Hanks, but other manufacturers).

And those numbers are incredible for the size of the D4sV2, and I believe they’re true.

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It is the best led combination and light in Hanks lineup.
I have multiple combinations of each model and prefer warm tints, yet this light is just a killer.

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Boro wrote:
It is the best led combination and light in Hanks lineup.
I have multiple combinations of each model and prefer warm tints, yet this light is just a killer.

Wow, this is good to know, I have been wanting this combo for months now, may just have to pull the trigger. My D4sv2’s are still among my favorite lights .

And on second thought, my d4v2 with w2 I got from Hank out throws (I’m pretty sure) my sst20 5000k D4sv2. so the w2 in the D4sv2 must be amazing.

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Artiet59 wrote:
I only know he has it because I have been watching the D4sV2 on Vinh’s website for awhile now, so here is Vinh’s numbers for it with w2. These are by no means my numbers, I copied this info from https://skylumen.com/products/emmisar-d4svn-v2-best-26650-light-r?_pos=1...

White2 5400K 4600L, 100Kcd, 633m

And from what I hear and read Vinh puts a lot of stock in the accuracy of his numbers and ratings. I would tend to trust his numbers over some manufacturers numbers (not necessarily Hanks, but other manufacturers).

And those numbers are incredible for the size of the D4sV2, and I believe they’re true.


Sadly, Vinhs number are sometime right but sometimes far from what others report. I wouldn’t trust them.
Here’s a post that combines all measurements that I found for a subset of lights:
https://budgetlightforum.com/node/63397

The most extreme case there is stock GT Mini Vinh reports 170 kcd while 7 others got between 106 and 148.

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^ good to know Agro, thank you for the info. I don’t own a light by SL, but will make note. I’m sure the plethora of ways to measure also must make consistency difficult. Just the fact that the customers varied from 106-148kcd, shows me the variance possibility is real. All good info though.

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Artiet59 wrote:
Boro wrote:
It is the best led combination and light in Hanks lineup.
I have multiple combinations of each model and prefer warm tints, yet this light is just a killer.

Wow, this is good to know, I have been wanting this combo for months now, may just have to pull the trigger. My D4sv2’s are still among my favorite lights .

And on second thought, my d4v2 with w2 I got from Hank out throws (I’m pretty sure) my sst20 5000k D4sv2. so the w2 in the D4sv2 must be amazing.

I’ve got a w2 D4V2 from Vinh. The numbers on his website are 3900 lumens, 45Kcd. It has been my edc for quite a while now. It outthrows my SST-20 D4V2 by a huge margin, and yet has an incredibly usable beam. I strongly prefer the tint and CRI of the SST-20 light, but the performance gap is too much to ignore and the SST-20 light just gets used around the house.

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Vin often quotes instantaneous or turn-on values. To be fair, it’s relevant when the topic is already impractical to begin with.

I do however have been eyeing the D4S or any light capable of taking the Ledil Angie and trying it with the white flats.

I would expect 90-100kcd from this setup with a good cell.

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Perception wrote:
Artiet59 wrote:
Boro wrote:
It is the best led combination and light in Hanks lineup.
I have multiple combinations of each model and prefer warm tints, yet this light is just a killer.

Wow, this is good to know, I have been wanting this combo for months now, may just have to pull the trigger. My D4sv2’s are still among my favorite lights .

And on second thought, my d4v2 with w2 I got from Hank out throws (I’m pretty sure) my sst20 5000k D4sv2. so the w2 in the D4sv2 must be amazing.

I’ve got a w2 D4V2 from Vinh. The numbers on his website are 3900 lumens, 45Kcd. It has been my edc for quite a while now. It outthrows my SST-20 D4V2 by a huge margin, and yet has an incredibly usable beam. I strongly prefer the tint and CRI of the SST-20 light, but the performance gap is too much to ignore and the SST-20 light just gets used around the house.

It’s actually listed at “4600L, 100Kcd, 633m”, and even higher for the “supercharged” version.

45Kcd is for some of the stock emitter setups I think.

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Boro wrote:
It is the best led combination and light in Hanks lineup. I have multiple combinations of each model and prefer warm tints, yet this light is just a killer.

I have two of them from Vinh, and the throw really is amazing. At the same time, the beam width is acceptably wide, if not ideal, as a general purpose light.

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I just bought a D4Sv2 W2 from Ariet this week. And yes, it’s awesome. I’m going to take some measurements tonight before tearing into it for reference points, because it’s going to get a set of sliced SST20s, possibly a mix of 3000 and 4000K or just straight 4000K – we’ll see. I’m gifting it this weekend, but I’m certain I’ll be getting another ANGIE light or two. Just the best beam characteristics I’ve seen so far. Even, wide and reasonably intense hotspot and a narrow spill with soft edges. Perfect IMO.

Hank.. (clears throat)

If you are listening. I have a candid request. We need a KR4S.

ANGIE. 21700. Tail e-switch. Done. Top 10 all-time flashlight.

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JaredM wrote:
I… Hank.. (clears throat) If you are listening. I have a candid request. We need a KR4S…..

I’m embarrassed to admit my ignorance -Which is Hank’s website?

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brightnorm wrote:
JaredM wrote:
I… Hank.. (clears throat) If you are listening. I have a candid request. We need a KR4S…..

I’m embarrassed to admit my ignorance -Which is Hank’s website?


https://intl-outdoor.com/

Smile, you cannot kill them all.

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Welp. You mod and you learn..

Angie doesn’t like sliced sst20s. I measured the exact same throw sliced to 1mm as I did with the domes (44kcd) Tint improved slightly, but not enough to justify the effort and lost lumens. There wasn’t any tint shift to start with either. A few minor artifacts also appeared. These were my last 4 good ’20s from MTN, so it will stay this way.

The W2s that came original were pulling a sweet 101kcd at turn-on. But the CW made it nothing but a toy IMO, and it’s lovely with the sst20s

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I measured about 100000cd with the W2

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JaredM wrote:
.. because it’s going to get a set of sliced SST20s, possibly a mix of 3000 and 4000K or just straight 4000K – we’ll see…
*Awesome! * … I’m certain I’ll be getting another ANGIE light or two. Just the best beam characteristics I’ve seen so far. ….

That optic in that size is just unparalleled for so many reasons. Looks so good with those auxiliary leds too.

We need a KR4S.
ANGIE. 21700. Tail e-switch. Done. Top 10 all-time flashlight.

*Yes! Kr4s! *

Also, Hank… please think about the KR7 I’ve proposed??
-kr1 size/platform
-21700
-button eswtich
-4mm larger diameter head, 4mm large diameter battery tube (for the 21700)
- 7 leds with optic

This would be.. well, perfect too. Think those 7 led lights we all have come to love, but with Hanks awesome tail switch.

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hodor wrote:
Shame there aren’t any warm/neutral tints available.

Only reason I sold mine was the tint isn’t useful despite how useful the beam is..

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JaredM wrote:
Welp. You mod and you learn..

Angie doesn’t like sliced sst20s. I measured the exact same throw sliced to 1mm as I did with the domes (44kcd) Tint improved slightly, but not enough to justify the effort and lost lumens. There wasn’t any tint shift to start with either. A few minor artifacts also appeared. These were my last 4 good ’20s from MTN, so it will stay this way.

The W2s that came original were pulling a sweet 101kcd at turn-on. But the CW made it nothing but a toy IMO, and it’s lovely with the sst20s


Thanks for the trial run, sorry to hear it i guess, but i have been wondering about slicing some sst20’s in a r4 and d4s for a while now, and what that would do.

Also, this is the reason i stopped slicing sst40’s recently, the lumen loss didn’t justify the throw gain in many cases.

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brightnorm wrote:
JaredM wrote:
I… Hank.. (clears throat) If you are listening. I have a candid request. We need a KR4S…..

I’m embarrassed to admit my ignorance -Which is Hank’s website?


https://intl-outdoor.com/

Thanks

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BurningPlayd0h wrote:
Perception wrote:
Artiet59 wrote:
Boro wrote:
It is the best led combination and light in Hanks lineup.
I have multiple combinations of each model and prefer warm tints, yet this light is just a killer.

Wow, this is good to know, I have been wanting this combo for months now, may just have to pull the trigger. My D4sv2’s are still among my favorite lights .

And on second thought, my d4v2 with w2 I got from Hank out throws (I’m pretty sure) my sst20 5000k D4sv2. so the w2 in the D4sv2 must be amazing.

I’ve got a w2 D4V2 from Vinh. The numbers on his website are 3900 lumens, 45Kcd. It has been my edc for quite a while now. It outthrows my SST-20 D4V2 by a huge margin, and yet has an incredibly usable beam. I strongly prefer the tint and CRI of the SST-20 light, but the performance gap is too much to ignore and the SST-20 light just gets used around the house.

It’s actually listed at “4600L, 100Kcd, 633m”, and even higher for the “supercharged” version.

45Kcd is for some of the stock emitter setups I think.

My bad, I wasn’t clear enough. I’ve got the D4V2, not the D4SV2. I was just saying the W2 version outthrows the SST20 version by a huge margin so I would assume the difference would be just as noticeable in the D4SV2 as well.

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I e-mailed Hank and he said that the candela for the D4Sv2 is around 90,000

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I meant to say D4Sv2 with the Osram W2 is around 90,000 cd

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D4Sv2 with W2————-Anyone know or take a guess on how the turbo runtime graph
would look on the W2 versus some of the others. I think(I’m new) that it would generate
more heat, but if it is 20% more or so that would be alright with me. Thank You.

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Do you guys think the D4Sv2 with W2 is worth getting if I already have the KR1vn with SBT90.2? Almost the same lumens and throw. I’m just nervous getting another battery type to be honest. I already have 60+ batteries between 18650 and 21700.

My other choice would be the Acebeam L35 for about the same cost.