【convoy】H4 and B35AM options are updated

captainkirk · February 20, 2021, 3:23am

Thanks very much for the advice, I may order two just in case I fumble…

Kirk

d_t_a · February 20, 2021, 9:16am

I wonder which of Convoy’s flashlights now use “button” on the head (driver) side instead of “spring”.

I have the S21B with SST40 and S21B with CULPM1 (6Amp driver), both use a spring on the head/driver side.

I have the Convoy L21A with XHP35-Hi, and it uses a spring on the head/driver side.
But on the Convoy L21A with CULPM1, it uses a button on the head/driver side.

Simon_Mao · February 20, 2021, 11:15am

i dont have suitable reflector , and the driver is thick

Simon_Mao · February 20, 2021, 11:21am

SBT90.2 will be installed in L6, 4X18A, 3X21A,
but Currently the drivers are still under design

Simon_Mao · February 20, 2021, 11:28am

JaredM:

Simon has already told us that he’s planning a 3x21700 SBT90.2 version of the 4x18a. I suspect the L21a and/or L6 might get it eventually as well, since many will ask for it.

@Simon

I do have a request for product improvement. I have two of the latest versions of the M2, and while they are great in so many ways, there are a few things I’d love to see in the future…

Supply ’pan head’ screws in place of the flat head type for clamping the mcpcb. The original setup forced the LED off center when tightened down and made it impossible to get a good beam. I swapped in some pan head screws and was finally able to clamp the board and have it centered at the same time.

Also, I’d love to see a forward clicky switch and maybe a rubber tactical grip ring for the light. The lack of knurling really makes it a slippery light, especially when combined with the deeply recessed switch that forces your thumb to bend tightly. I might be a minority here but I love the sharp knurling on the C8+ and would like to see more of it, as well as forward clicky options in these larger thrower/tactical lights. Maybe we get an M2+ ? :innocent:

This needs to be redesigned, maybe I need to set up a series of tactical flashlights.

oweban · February 20, 2021, 11:29am

darosk · February 20, 2021, 12:01pm

Simon Mao:

JaredM:

Simon has already told us that he’s planning a 3x21700 SBT90.2 version of the 4x18a. I suspect the L21a and/or L6 might get it eventually as well, since many will ask for it.

@Simon

I do have a request for product improvement. I have two of the latest versions of the M2, and while they are great in so many ways, there are a few things I’d love to see in the future…

Supply ’pan head’ screws in place of the flat head type for clamping the mcpcb. The original setup forced the LED off center when tightened down and made it impossible to get a good beam. I swapped in some pan head screws and was finally able to clamp the board and have it centered at the same time.

Also, I’d love to see a forward clicky switch and maybe a rubber tactical grip ring for the light. The lack of knurling really makes it a slippery light, especially when combined with the deeply recessed switch that forces your thumb to bend tightly. I might be a minority here but I love the sharp knurling on the C8+ and would like to see more of it, as well as forward clicky options in these larger thrower/tactical lights. Maybe we get an M2+ ? :innocent:

This needs to be redesigned, maybe I need to set up a series of tactical flashlights.

MFW

Caleb · February 21, 2021, 6:54am

Simon Mao:

JaredM:

Simon has already told us that he’s planning a 3x21700 SBT90.2 version of the 4x18a. I suspect the L21a and/or L6 might get it eventually as well, since many will ask for it.

@Simon

I do have a request for product improvement. I have two of the latest versions of the M2, and while they are great in so many ways, there are a few things I’d love to see in the future…

Supply ’pan head’ screws in place of the flat head type for clamping the mcpcb. The original setup forced the LED off center when tightened down and made it impossible to get a good beam. I swapped in some pan head screws and was finally able to clamp the board and have it centered at the same time.

Also, I’d love to see a forward clicky switch and maybe a rubber tactical grip ring for the light. The lack of knurling really makes it a slippery light, especially when combined with the deeply recessed switch that forces your thumb to bend tightly. I might be a minority here but I love the sharp knurling on the C8+ and would like to see more of it, as well as forward clicky options in these larger thrower/tactical lights. Maybe we get an M2+ ? :innocent:

This needs to be redesigned, maybe I need to set up a series of tactical flashlights.

I would love to see a forward click option for all S21 and M21 series lights.

Chatika_vas_Paus · February 21, 2021, 9:17am

Do these flashlights use the standard omten switch or maybe the square one?

d_t_a · February 21, 2021, 9:47am

Caleb:

Simon Mao:

JaredM:

Simon has already told us that he’s planning a 3x21700 SBT90.2 version of the 4x18a. I suspect the L21a and/or L6 might get it eventually as well, since many will ask for it.

@Simon

I do have a request for product improvement. I have two of the latest versions of the M2, and while they are great in so many ways, there are a few things I’d love to see in the future…

Supply ’pan head’ screws in place of the flat head type for clamping the mcpcb. The original setup forced the LED off center when tightened down and made it impossible to get a good beam. I swapped in some pan head screws and was finally able to clamp the board and have it centered at the same time.

Also, I’d love to see a forward clicky switch and maybe a rubber tactical grip ring for the light. The lack of knurling really makes it a slippery light, especially when combined with the deeply recessed switch that forces your thumb to bend tightly. I might be a minority here but I love the sharp knurling on the C8+ and would like to see more of it, as well as forward clicky options in these larger thrower/tactical lights. Maybe we get an M2+ ? :innocent:

This needs to be redesigned, maybe I need to set up a series of tactical flashlights.

I would love to see a forward click option for all S21 and M21 series lights.

I suppose it got confusing whether people like reverse or forward clicky…

The earlier batches of Convoy M21A (SST40) and Convoy S11 (XHP50.2) used a forward-clicky tailswitch (I still have these 2 models with forward-clicky version).
I have since then tried another Convoy S11 (SST40) and this S11 now uses a reverse-clicky tailswitch. (I could interchange the tailswitch of the other S11 to make one forward-clicky or reverse-clicky type.)

I’d like to change my M21A (SST40) from forward-clicky to reverse-clicky, but am not sure if it’s available (the reverse-clicky tailswitch that fits the M21A).
I suppose I’m more used to using reverse-clicky type tailswitch flashlights.

zeremefico · February 21, 2021, 11:11am

Can you share a photo of forward clicky switches of M21A & S11?

JaredM · February 21, 2021, 6:35pm

For multi-mode lights, reverse switch makes more sense. And for 95%+ of people it does as well. I understand why it’s the standard. There is however a distinct market and application for forward switches…

Ideally,a forward “tactical” switch should have a secondary method to change modes. Either with head twists or an e switch that only functions as mode switching.

Convoy used to make the L4, which is a form factor very close to what I desire.

If the grip ring was removed from the tailcap and offered as a removable rubber version, and it had a more ‘proud’ tail switch, then the rest is mostly cosmetic preferences.

On that point, less is more, and I rreaally miss the styling of old eagletac, nitecore, 4sevens, and even fenix (original tk11) tactical lights. Sleek, aggressive, attractive, and functional.

Lastly, if a 32mm - 44mm - 60mm head diameter series with deep, quality reflectors and thin bezels (maximizing reflector area per head diameter — like the C8 and M2 exceed at (m21c not so much)) and taking cues from Amutorch designs that keep overall length in check, we could have a winner in my book.

Lightbringer · February 21, 2021, 7:56pm

Problem is, you make the bezel too thin (especially Al and not SS), and any good solid bang can bust the glass and ruin the thread. A thicker bezel, especially made of SS, makes the front end of the light almost a hammer-head in ruggedness.

Even in a padded case, I accidentally dropped my camera maybe 2’ (if that) onto the sidewalk, and the oblique-angle hit just the right way not only shattered the clear (“UV”) protective filter, but also bent the flange enough that I can’t even get off the outer ring from the filter.

Well, so much for padded cases…

In a flashlight, if you want it to be “tactical”, you need to be able to crack open someone’s melon with a good hit. So you don’t also want to bust the front glass and bend the bezel, etc.

JaredM · February 21, 2021, 8:17pm

There are clearly limits to thinness and the tradeoff with ruggedness. I think the m2 has it right though. I think thinner would be an issue but don’t see much practical advantage going much thicker. If you have to chisel your way out of a jail cell then maybe you have bigger problems anyway. I’m personally not willing to experiment with my sample, but I bet the impact would have to be quite severe to render it inoperable.

Lightbringer · February 21, 2021, 8:24pm

I thought the same about a hard-shell padded case, but I guessed wrong.

JaredM · February 22, 2021, 1:18am

Crazy bad luck there. I know a lot of things are possible, but in a situation where I need to smash a ss bezel into a
live melon, the last thing I’ma be worried about is if I can later unthread it lol

id30209 · February 22, 2021, 1:52am

SFT40 showed up yesterday In Convoy FB group... tempting...

EasyB · February 22, 2021, 2:22am

Interesting. I had not heard of the SFT40 before. There is some discussion about it on the German forum. I guess it’s a stock domeless SST40.

id30209 · February 22, 2021, 2:27am

SFT40 is 5x5mm and Osram CULPM1.TG is 4x4mm so i guess it could be stock dedommed SST40

JaredM · February 22, 2021, 6:08am

SFT is Luminus speak for domeless 4mm², so very likely a minimally modified sst-40 optimized for no dome. Likely additional silicon pour around the perimeter to protect bond wires and such and maybe a slightly different phosphor mix. I’m very, very excited for this emitter. Just heard of it in TLF yesterday. I knew about the SFT70 from this thread, and I think I’m looking forward to that one more. I think it could be the sweet spot for compact high lumen throwers. 1/3 the cost of the 90.2 and in a 5050 footprint that’ll fit existing mcpcbs, reflectors, and gaskets. Win win win. Bring on the next gen boost drivers please!