Just in case: Thanks for all your contributions to this forum. It was a pleasure to read them, and I’ve learned a lot :+1:
I have read about it. Seems like a good candidate
Are they going to tell you after the trial if you got the vaccine or a placebo?
My doctor's office got back to me today!
They say that I am eligible, but their explanation did not convince me.
I still believe that my doctor doesn't know what he is talking about, and that I am not eligible yet.
I'm okay with that, and I just will wait for my turn like everyone else.
Not every doctor is right all the time, and I will use google to try to confirm what he says in the future.
Thanks for that. 
I am not eligible, but I signed up to be notified when I will be eligible.
I used the NM equivalent site. I missed on the first notice they sent me. I saw it 44 minutes after it was sent and all the spots were gone. I saw the the second notice sent a week or so later and responded immediately. I got a spot and was able to pick a time. They were well organized. No lines, no waiting when I got there today. I hope everyone has as smooth an experience.
Yes, I get to know that at the end of the trial, and if the results are good, the placebo group gets the real vaccin after all. And if my regular turn for a vaccin from the government comes before the end of the trial, I can opt to leave the trial, in that case they will tell me which group I was in too.
I think that there will not be much of a trial leftover once the participants are eligible for their official jabs, it would be unreasonably noble, especially for elder people in the trial, to risk being in the placebo group, skip the official jab and get corona, for the good of the rest of the world (and a couple of dollars).
My mother, 83yo, got her first shot today (B/Pf), thus far all good :-).
NL has a vaccination strategy for different groups, starting with essential healtcare workers, elderly people with underlying issues, ending with healty adults and children. I won’t go deeper into detail, because there is a lot of progressive insight going around, and things can change before the ink of the previous adjustment is dry. Same applies to the different vaccines. There is a detailed time table of who gets what, when and where.
Injecting AZ restarts next week. Everything is voluntary, of course. You can refuse, or ask for more time.
But if you want another vaccine, they move you to the end of the line for that vaccine.
So if you are destined to get AZ next week, and you prefer J&J, you could be waiting till end of summer.
Look at Israel go!….
Vaccine country chart
Thankfully the silly political moves have been stopped and Oxford/AZ is being used again across Europe thanks to EMA declaring it safe and effective.
Tests mixing Pfizer and OxfordAZ doses are taking place and it appears this may even offer better protection than two doses of one type but time will tell.
thanks for that link, had not seen that data before:
USA has slightly flatter curve than Worldwide
USA has 24% of total cases worldwide.
Texas has ended face mask requirements… New Mexico and California still require masks and social distance, and they have flatter curves than Texas.:
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Top Ten USA states with the highest Per Capita infection rate
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Top Ten Countries with the highest Per Capita infection rate
Have they? They can’t.
In the average it does more good than harm I presume. If only we’d know exactly the predisposition of an individual for serious health issues with the vaccine and the virus, we could give everyone the figures he needs to decide for himself what risk he wants to take.
So very true. I like to think I’m noble and all that but if I was in a trial and my turn came up for a shot I’d definitely take it. To me the risk/reward of getting a real vaccine would be too great to not take it.
Not “I presume”, the data say that, it is not an opinion. That is what we have an EMA for, they figure it out from the data.
We do know, there is enough data on that by now, with the trials and now so many millions already vaccinated. Trust that!
A thing that keeps amazing me in this pandemic is that you can throw as many facts at a large percentage of people as you like, it appears that data do not change anything for those people, everything stays in doubt and is considered a matter of opinion :person_facepalming:
And something about the widely beloved individual freedom to do as you please: Unfortunately there is more going on than individual risk, personal decisions on being vaccinated have consequences for the population. Taking individual freedom to the max as an ideal, as has become common in the first world in the last 40 years, does not work very well during a pandemic. It would help a lot if the sense of freedom that we aspire would be more of a collective thing, how we can contribute to optimising freedom as a society, instead of maximising doing as you please as an individual.
But I start to digress…
> there is more going on than individual risk, personal decisions on being vaccinated have consequences for the population.
agree
I call it the USA Culture of the Individual the “Me first generation”
Per capita infection rate by country:
Japan has a culture that emphasizes group responsibility, they are #121 of countries with highest infection per capita
USA has a culture that emphasizes individual freedom, they are #8 of countries with highest infection per capita
…and that is okay as what you stated all makes a lot of sense to me.
OK, the following is a quote, if you wish to look further the link is below…
The info is there and I’m sure if you wish to dig for data and stats you can. Once you are fully informed you can then come to the same conclusion all by yourself.
I find this interesting, so I’ll take the ball. Hope it’s ok for the forum owner.
Well, this kind of data never covers everything that’s important to know, e.g. it does not show future incidents. That’s where my “presume” stems from.
It’s my decision if I’ll get AZ or not. That’s theory, it’s not on offer for my age group yet, but if it were, I would reckon I’ll survive Covid-19 with a better chance than a blood clot. That leaves the chances to get either of these aside, I’m fully aware of that. But it’s the way I’m thinking, and that has to be respected like anyone elses opinion, too.
I’m not from the area but i’ll try to decompose this:
safe - they probably can’t declare that until it is unequivocally proved that the deaths and other risks associated that appeared in people that got that vaccine are not related to the vaccine itself
effective - they conducted trials/tests/whatever and, as far as I know, they made the results public concerning the effectiveness of the vaccine on the SARS-Cov-2 virus / Covid-19 disease. So, if the vaccine it is out there, it certainly has effectiveness for what it was designed! Although it may vary from individual to individual…as everything else in this world :weary:
I guess the word “average” will lead to mistakes here!
I saw that in Portugal more than 1 million people were already vaccinated with 1 of the 3 vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna, Astrazeneca).
Around 0.2% (about 50.000 people) stated to have had secondary effects.
Since the beginning of the vaccination process there were deaths, but according to the information, they were not related to the vaccination process itself. So, this cannot be seen as averages when doing good or harm.
And there are also people that already took both doses and still got (re)infected (?), but as far as I perceived, the symptoms where not accute.
That is, unfortunately impossible, but in a perfect world, it would be the ideal solution.
BTW, I was going to place a question about the transmission from vaccinated people (that get infected after it) and other people, but then I went for a really quick search for some information and this is what I found:
Excerpt from a broader text :