Are 30Q 18650s genuine at ~42/43g? - UPDATE: all customers being refunded

I bought 10 30Q cells from a fairly respected (AFAIK) online seller (not Ebay) in the US, paying $5.10 per cell before tax and shipping. They look great. Eight of them came at 3.62 - 3.63V out of the box, and two were at 3.43V (not that that says much as I understand it).

I weighed two of them and they came in at 42.5 - 43.5g, less than the typical online figure of 48g (including the figure on their website).

How suspicious should I be?

What’s a go-to test device to see if my batteries are genuine (not metaphysical certitude—just 95% let’s say)?

Here are some photos.







The IR will likely be the tell tale sign.
Here is the dat sheet.

i have on 30Q flat bought from nkon.nl and my wegihs in at 46… did many times and get same 46….

could geniune really have a few grams difference ??

Mine 46.6

I have 2 Samsung 30Q from Vapcell (not rewrap)
45.5 g each

My two year 30Q @45.9g.

@zoulas, as in, the internal impedance listed as 26mOhm (#7.5 in that PDF)?

Can I just use my multimeter to get that?

Here are the weights of all of the cells:

42.8
42.7
42.7
42.9
42.9
42.8
42.6
42.8
42.9
43.1

My Fluke 115 says it can’t get an ohm reading from the cell.

I also have a Tenergy TB6-B charger that I could use to perform some test—but I’m not sure what to try.

I wrote the seller and I’m waiting to hear back.

An update from the seller:

Weigh/test your cells, folks.

On that note, what equipment should I buy to test my cells?

As they do in the legal system, you need to have a preponderance of evidence. So you will have to check several things including weight, IR, dimensions, etc. Its not enough to simply weight it.

How do I check the IR? I tried measuring the resistance with my Fluke 115 and got nothing. What’s the difference between IR and internal impedance?

Thanks. Is internal impedance the same as internal resistance?

For what it is worth, IR changes with temperature, state of charge, number of cycles and discharge rate for the test.

As with a lot of things, getting a number is just half of it. Understanding the parameters of the test and how those parameters affect the result is the other half.

Does internal impedance also change with those same parameters (temp, cycles, etc.)?

They don’t seem like a bad seller …
why won’t you tell us who they are ?

As I understand it…

Resistance is the “resistance” to a steady state amount of current flow

Impedance is “resistance” when current is pulsed or at some frequency or possibly including the “imaginary part” of current flow. (imaginary part in the mathematical sense, ie SQRT[–1] or i )

So, resistance and impedance can be thought of as the same thing but are technically not the same thing.

@pirate joe 22: I didn’t want to give them a bad name before giving them a chance to make good. They are Battery Junction dot com. I’m quite pleased and I wrote them a thank you note.

@prototype3a: thanks. I ordered a tester that says it can measure it.

Well, I did a drain test on one of the light “30Q” batteries that I got.

I drained one of them at 1A until it hit 3V. Here is the result. 1621 mAh (I assume the counter is in mAh). (I’m going to do a second one overnight at 0.5A)

Is my expectation of seeing nearly 3000 mAh off?

Not off, you should get near 3000mah, probably around 2800

I bought two 30Q cells from techaroundyou in Australia recently and they came with these markings:

INR18650-30Q
SAMSUNG SDI
6 KMT

On the can of cell 1:
R30Q
KAUA1
GAHC
CC
B14
W16

On the can of cell 2:
R30Q
KAUA1
GAHC
CC
B06
W23

Vapcell S4 Plus capacity tests:

Samsung 30Q6 18650 Cap Test #1 (2021-04-22)
Weight: 46g
Discharge 500mA
Max cell temp: 38C
Room temp: 16C
Capacity (mAh):
3046, 3083
Internal Resistance (mOhm):
26, 21

Samsung 30Q6 18650 Cap Test #2 (2021-04-23)
Weight: 46g
Discharge 1A
Max cell temp: 52C
Room temp: 17C
Capacity (mAh):
3094, 3124
Internal Resistance (mOhm):
23, 29