WildTrail WT90 - SBT90.2 1800m+ throw 90mm 3x 21700 With Texas_Ace driver

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WildTrail WT90 - SBT90.2 1800m+ throw 90mm 3x 21700 With Texas_Ace driver

Update 5-10-21: The sale has been delayed a little due to a minor issue with the switch LED’s that TomE found.
They have already sorted the issue out and now just have to wait for the new switch PCB’s to arrive and install them.
Most likely an extra 1-2 weeks before the sale goes live sadly but I would love to be proven wrong.

There are 100 lights in the first batch, 75 black and 25 Clear / sliver.

The group buy price will be $150 + $15-$20 shipping.

They will be sold via Aliexpress and/or possibly direct paypal payments. The exact details are still in the works.

They hope to have them listed and ready for sale in about 2 weeks, they are in the final assembly steps now.


Howdy BLF!

So been out of the game for a bit now, this project was actually started way back in 2019 but covid caused it to be delayed until now. I have been working with a fairly new manufacture called WildTrail. They have been good to work with and seem to really care about making a quality light and not just being another light manufacture.

This light is one I saw several people request back when the GT/GT90 were released, a 3× 21700 power light with a bit smaller head.

This light has a 90mm reflector with an SBT90.2 LED and is powered by 3× 21700 cells.

Here is a video of some of the production process, neat to see it come together:

The end result is a much more portable light when compared to the GT but with a bit lower specs as the tradeoff naturally. My prototype testing has shown around:

Lumens: ~5000
Tint: 5700k
kcd: ~950Kcd
Throw: ~1950M




I could not get a good current reading due to being worried about breaking the prototype but seems to be in the low 20A’s which fits with the other specs.

Edit: TomE Did some tests on the prototype, his numbers are here:

https://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1764165#comment-1764165
https://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1763977#comment-1763977

He got a bit over 5k lumens and 975Kcd!






Another cool feature of this light is that the cell carrier has built in USB C charging AND battery bank at 2A for both! I did some testing on it and it seems to work really well. Voltage capped off on mine at 4.15V which is exactly what I would want for a built in charger, always better to error on the low side.

Thermal performance is quite good as well. Took about 6 mins for the body to reach 60c (a common thermal regulation setting).

At 15 mins it was still over 3k lumens and around 80c.

It peaked at 30 mins around 88c, so the light itself can be run until the batteries are dead without an issue. Although you do need to pay attention to what cells you are using, as they were a bit over 75c when I pulled them out, some cells are rated for 80c, others are lower.

Like all my lights though, it can have the thermal regulation disabled and run until the cells die without damage to the light.

The driver is running Narsil, same firmware as the GT90/GT70. It also includes the lexel pogo pin pads for flashing without having to remove the driver.


The only issue that will make it into the final light that I noticed was that they used some mosfets in the carrier as polarity protection. They work fine and do the job but they are fairly high resistance compered to what we are used to. This is what is holding it back from higher output. I am guessing with those replaced or bypassed it would be around ~4500 lumens or so, once I am done with the prototype I might try bypassing them and see what happens.

I am going to see if VOB is interested in doing a review of the prototype.



Ok, now for the group buy details.

There are 100 lights in the first batch, 75 black and 25 Clear / sliver.

The group buy price will be $150 + $15-$20 shipping.

They will be sold via Aliexpress and/or possibly direct paypal payments. The exact details are still in the works.

They hope to have them listed and ready for sale in about 2 weeks, they are in the final assembly steps now.

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Manual for the WT90 as prepared by Lux-Perpetua

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Q3NllqgomzSABNJmdvD1XFu0kdqZ52LM/view

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If I could Find someone that ships quality and reasonably priced 21700s (To Alaska) I would be all over this for that price.

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imrbatteries doesn’t ship to Alaska? They have some nice P42A 21700 cells for $5.99 that I ordered just the other day if so.

https://liionwholesale.com

Appears to ship to alaska and they have the P42A cells for $5.75 each if you buy 3.

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Yes please!! In for a silver/non ano version!

Good to see Wildtrail making a new light. I have two (ano and non ano) D80v2’s that they made and I was very impressed with the build quality of those so this should be good!

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I am very glad to see Wildtrail back as well. We need more good manufacturers to work with blf. Their quality is very high, lets hope it stays that way.. and maybe not try and beat them down into ultralow price points on future projects.

TA, there’s not a single picture of the reflector+led ! Help ! Lol

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This looks great! Similar size and specs to the Astrolux MF02S v2 and Acebeam K65-GT but with 3×21700. The power bank feature is a nice bonus too.

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JaredM wrote:
I am very glad to see Wildtrail back as well. We need more good manufacturers to work with blf. Their quality is very high, lets hope it stays that way.. and maybe not try and beat them down into ultralow price points on future projects.

TA, there’s not a single picture of the reflector+led ! Help ! Lol

lol, yeah I noticed that after posting. The prototype is kinda beat up and mismatched so he didn’t want me using pictures of it unless required.

I will try to get a pic of the reflector and LED tomorrow.

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Very nice, and indeed good to see Wildtrail doing another light!

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dave1010 wrote:
This looks great! Similar size and specs to the Astrolux MF02S v2 and Acebeam K65-GT but with 3×21700. The power bank feature is a nice bonus too.

Yeah, it is a nice “mid-sized” light. I can see myself grabbing it over the GT90 in most situations if I am honest. For quick uses it will do what you need just fine and is easier to carry. For longer term use or when you really need max performance the GT90 is still going to win out naturally as long as you have the muscle mass to carry it lol. Factor in size and I find this to be more usable.

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djozz wrote:
Very nice, and indeed good to see Wildtrail doing another light!

Yes, they have been great to work with. A lot of passion to make good quality lights. I know of a few places where they didn’t take the simpler and cheaper option in favor of a higher quality option.

Communication has also been good as well which is good to see.

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Thanks from heading this one up TA. This looks like the perfect EDC’ish mega-thrower. The silver version really caught my eye. In the interests of thermal performance, I hope they continue through production with the one piece head design, and not cheap-out by breaking it down into several threaded pieces. If they can manage that, Id be in for a pair.

Numbers never tell the entire story, so it would be interesting to see a side-by-side comparison to a GT90 at maximum rage to give us an idea of what to expect in the field.

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I’ll buy a silver when ready!

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In for silver!
Looks like an interesting competitor of the TN42v2, but cheaper!

Really like the 3×21700 format and size, should be much more practical than a GT90

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I was worried that people would want more silver and there would not be enough, I also want a silver lol.

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FlashPilot wrote:
Thanks from heading this one up TA. This looks like the perfect EDC’ish mega-thrower. The silver version really caught my eye. In the interests of thermal performance, I hope they continue through production with the one piece head design, and not cheap-out by breaking it down into several threaded pieces. If they can manage that, Id be in for a pair.

Numbers never tell the entire story, so it would be interesting to see a side-by-side comparison to a GT90 at maximum rage to give us an idea of what to expect in the field.

I think you can rest sound knowing that the construction will be the single piece design you see now, they spent a lot of time and money getting that designed as one piece so I doubt they would change it at this point.

Yes, I want to send the prototype to VOB for a video review since he can do that a lot better then me. I have not heard back from him yet though.

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Thanks from heading this one up TA. This looks like the perfect EDC’ish mega-thrower. The silver version really caught my eye. In the interests of thermal performance, I hope they continue through production with the one piece head design, and not cheap-out by breaking it down into several threaded pieces. If they can manage that, Id be in for a pair.

Numbers never tell the entire story, so it would be interesting to see a side-by-side comparison to a GT90 at maximum rage to give us an idea of what to expect in the field.

I think you can rest sound knowing that the construction will be the single piece design you see now, they spent a lot of time and money getting that designed as one piece so I doubt they would change it at this point.

Yes, I want to send the prototype to VOB for a video review since he can do that a lot better then me. I have not heard back from him yet though.

Thanks, that is nice to know. I realize the one-piece head is more costly and complex to produce. The price seems fair considering all that was mentioned so far. Is there any chance some lower resistance FET’s might be sourced to make their way into the production run? We are, after all, flashaholics!

How difficult do you think it would be to move the charge port to the host in order to avoid having to remove the cell carrier for recharging? Im sure we’re all thinking along the same lines.

If VOB cant find the time to review this light, is there any chance you might be able to shoot a quick video or snap a few pics comparing beams from your GT90 to this new mini-beast (before you mod it)? It would be much appreciated. I think any target way-out-there should suffice.

Well darn… now I see there is a gaining interest in the silver version and it might be difficult to acquire. Do you know if it will be bare AL, clear-coated or ano? Maybe let Wildfire know they should consider making half of their hosts silver.

Sorry for all the questions! Big Smile

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dave1010 wrote:
This looks great! Similar size and specs to the Astrolux MF02S v2 and Acebeam K65-GT but with 3×21700. The power bank feature is a nice bonus too.

Yes, but the best upgrade over those two (it seems) is the Narsil! That is exciting!
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In for a silver if possible.

I have a mr02s v2 on order now, but this looks like a upgrade to me!

Edit: I will be fine with a black if silver is unavailable, I would just be ecstatic to make the first round of production.

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Really cool light, ticks many of the boxes as far as what I like! Is the battery slots machined into the battery tube or does it have one of those plastic battery holder thingies?

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Really cool light, ticks many of the boxes as far as what I like! Is the battery slots machined into the battery tube or does it have one of those plastic battery holder thingies?

The video shows a separate battery carrier with usb powerbank feature

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in for a clear anodized.

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FlashPilot wrote:
Texas_Ace wrote:
FlashPilot wrote:
Thanks from heading this one up TA. This looks like the perfect EDC’ish mega-thrower. The silver version really caught my eye. In the interests of thermal performance, I hope they continue through production with the one piece head design, and not cheap-out by breaking it down into several threaded pieces. If they can manage that, Id be in for a pair.

Numbers never tell the entire story, so it would be interesting to see a side-by-side comparison to a GT90 at maximum rage to give us an idea of what to expect in the field.

I think you can rest sound knowing that the construction will be the single piece design you see now, they spent a lot of time and money getting that designed as one piece so I doubt they would change it at this point.

Yes, I want to send the prototype to VOB for a video review since he can do that a lot better then me. I have not heard back from him yet though.

Thanks, that is nice to know. I realize the one-piece head is more costly and complex to produce. The price seems fair considering all that was mentioned so far. Is there any chance some lower resistance FET’s might be sourced to make their way into the production run? We are, after all, flashaholics!

How difficult do you think it would be to move the charge port to the host in order to avoid having to remove the cell carrier for recharging? Im sure we’re all thinking along the same lines.

If VOB cant find the time to review this light, is there any chance you might be able to shoot a quick video or snap a few pics comparing beams from your GT90 to this new mini-beast (before you mod it)? It would be much appreciated. I think any target way-out-there should suffice.

Well darn… now I see there is a gaining interest in the silver version and it might be difficult to acquire. Do you know if it will be bare AL, clear-coated or ano? Maybe let Wildfire know they should consider making half of their hosts silver.

Sorry for all the questions! Big Smile

lol, no worries. I have not seen any signs or even hints that they want to cut corners while working with them. They have insisted on the better option whenever possible thus far. Time will tell long term but in my time working with them I have been very impressed with the commitment to quality.

They are looking into better FET’s in the carrier for future runs, the issue is the footprint it uses now does not have a lot of good FET options, so it might require a redesign of the pcb. I just got the prototype this weekend and point out this issue so they are just starting to look into it. The existing FET’s work fine or I would not of signed off on them, they are just holding back a few hundred lumens if I had to guess.

Moving the charge port to the light itself would be quite difficult and it would be even harder to have it be water resistance / proof as well. Personally I prefer it like this, you get the best of both worlds but I can see why someone would want it on the body as well. It is not impossible but also not easy. It would require a fair amount of redesign. I can bring this up if enough people want it though.

I don’t have anything good around me to demonstrate throw which is why I gave up on it some time back. If VOB can’t do it though I can send it to someone else possibly or I will try my best to get something usable.

I was tempted to suggest a reversing of the silver/black ratio but I asked around and found that a 25-33% ratio of black to silver is pretty common on other lights so left it alone lol.

They did say that making another batch would not take nearly as long, so when he gets on later I will ask if they can ramp up some more silver lights.

The silver ones are clear ano, I have some raw aluminim lights and while they look great at first, I have had some mild tarnishing on some of them. The Ano protects from this and unless you look close still looks like raw. I told them to not bead blast it so you can still see hints of the machine marks if you look closely.

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Artiet59 wrote:
dave1010 wrote:
This looks great! Similar size and specs to the Astrolux MF02S v2 and Acebeam K65-GT but with 3×21700. The power bank feature is a nice bonus too.
Yes, but the best upgrade over those two (it seems) is the Narsil! That is exciting!

Can confirm, it has Narsil, same firmware as the GT90.

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CR888 wrote:
Really cool light, ticks many of the boxes as far as what I like! Is the battery slots machined into the battery tube or does it have one of those plastic battery holder thingies?

It uses a carrier but it is not plastic, it is all metal construction and has a built in 2A USB C charger / battery bank.

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Im in for a silver.

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Texas_Ace wrote:
Moving the charge port to the light itself would be quite difficult and it would be even harder to have it be water resistance / proof as well. Personally I prefer it like this, you get the best of both worlds but I can see why someone would want it on the body as well. It is not impossible but also not easy. It would require a fair amount of redesign. I can bring this up if enough people want it though.

Yes, I DEFINITELY prefer to have charging on the battery carrier, like the K1, it makes for more reliable waterproofing, a better aesthetic, no worn out "boot" over time, and the option to buy back up carriers for easy swap & go.

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I told them to not bead blast it so you can still see hints of the machine marks if you look closely.

Yes please, leave the hints of machining and not bead blast, just clear ano aluminum. A new light of mine just came in (ano aluminum) and has machining marks and it really adds a nice aesthetic. my first one didn't have this and i really prefer it.

 

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