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Tiny 10180 Battery Questions

First time ordering some 10180 batteries delivered the other day. Gosh, it's tiny and cute looking! Makes the other 2 batteries look huge!laughing

1) Just wondering if it's okay to charge with my Nitecore UM2 and/or Opus C3100 chargers? I don't see this battery type in the compatibiliity list at the back of the chargers?

2) Also, any decent flashlights use these tiny batteries?

3) Finally, is there a better brand out there? Maybe one with a brand name?

 

 

                                                                                             

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Most chargers don't list the 10180, because ideally it requires rather small charging currents, like 50ma (which is less than most charger's minimal charge current).  The 10180 is usually charged in the lights they come with.

Three chargers (that I know of) that mention the 10180 are the:

1 SkyRC Mc3000

2 GryFalcon All-88 (review link)

3 GryFalcon all-44 (review link)

 

I have a great MecArmy light that uses the 10180

https://shopmecarmy.com/collections/keychain-light/

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The um2 at 100mA might be OK, but you need to be careful not to charge them at too high a rate

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I don’t like to charge any cells above 1C, and I prefer 0.5C or lower. For the 90mA 10180s, that comes out to 90mA and 45mA charge rates, respectively.

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Hey thanks for the great info. That MecArmy is quite nice I must say. Tiny like the battery. Think I'll order one.smile I have a feeling I might lose it though so maybe 2 is better.innocent 

 Yeah timed charging and low current will make it happy. I think I'll time the charging with the smaller Nitecore charger. Plus since it's so tiny, charging should be pretty quick too. 

 

                                                                                             

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Hank33 wrote:

That MecArmy is quite nice I must say. 

 

It's my movie theater light.  The low level (8 lumens) is just about right for seeing the floor when it's dark, and not bothering anyone else in the theater.

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Terry Oregon wrote:

Hank33 wrote:

That MecArmy is quite nice I must say. 



 


It’s my movie theater light.  The low level (8 lumens) is just about right for seeing the floor when it’s dark, and not bothering anyone else in the theater.

That’s my idea for this light too. I’m wanting to use it for dark spots around my parts bin beside my desk. Maybe mount/hang it somewhere near it. Something with super low output but with some extra juice in case you need to see a little more.
I know there’s bigger flashlights with moon modes but I wanted something super small. That’s why I got the battery first then flashlight second. Smile

 

                                                                                             

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zoulas wrote:
Surprised no one mentioned the GT Nano

https://lumintoplighting.com/products/lumintop-gt-nano-450-lumens-300-me...

I didn’t mention before but am looking for something as small as possible. So small that you’re bound to get it lost. Big Smile Just wanting a real small footprint but with decent power.

Actually that Nano is quite cool looking. It’s got the Osram and it looks like a flashlight. Looks like I might be spending more $$$ next few days! Cash

 

                                                                                             

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Try DQG Fairy. One of my favourite lights. Way smaller than those MecArmy fatties.

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zoulas wrote:
Surprised no one mentioned the GT Nano

https://lumintoplighting.com/products/lumintop-gt-nano-450-lumens-300-me...

I have the SkyRC MC3000, but I’m not sure how to charge 10180 battery which is a bit too short to “touch” the slider.
HKJ’s review mentions “need to use spacer” for 10180 battery, but I’m wondering, are there ready-made spacers or need to DIY.
I notice that adding some extender (maybe a magnet) will typically increase the resistance noticeably (slowing the charging time — specifically the CV phase, if resistance is high)

Regarding the GT Nano, I tried using the included charger and it draws 0.08A while charging (gradually declining to 0.01-.02A before shutting down), charging current as measured using the EBD-USB+ load meter, from the USB side measurement (my guess that battery is charged more or less at 0.08A (80mA) if it’s drawing 0.08A from the USB 5v side.. It just takes a bit over an hour to fully charge a totally-drained “80mAh” 10180…

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So far I have 3 lights now that use a removable 10180 battery:
Lumintop GT Nano (Osram NM1)
Sofirn SC01 (SST20 4000k)
Astrolux M01 (Nichia 219C)

I also have the Lumintop EDC Pico, which is supposed to use a 10180 battery internally, but the battery is not removable (or not easily removable…)

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Agro wrote:
Try DQG Fairy. One of my favourite lights. Way smaller than those MecArmy fatties.

I’ve also got one of these and they are amazingly small lights – no onboard charging though which seems to be what OP requires.

Another vote for the Sofirn SC01 – stainless steel so it’s weighty, but nice with a 4000K tint.

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Agro wrote:
Try DQG Fairy. One of my favourite lights. Way smaller than those MecArmy fatties.

Hey nice, it comes in brass too! Saw it at BG but kind of pricey atm. Going for $40 USD now. Hope it get’s cheaper down the road. Smile

 

                                                                                             

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I found this one at Aliexpress for $40. Comes in titanium, brass or stainless and includes a trit tube and the battery.smile Its got the XP-G2 R5 1A. 

I might get this one.money-mouth

 

 

                                                                                             

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It’s a differently styled DQG Fairy cousin, DQG Spy. Styling aside, these are the same.

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The list of 10180 flashlights seems to be growing and growing now. Big Smile They are all quite good choices really. I think for now I'll get the SC01 from Sofirn first and the others soon.money-mouth

It's got TIR lens and uses SST20 4000K 95CRI. Plus it's stainless and includes the battery. All for $17 USD. 300LM too.smile

 

 

 

 

                                                                                             

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Great choice!

All this talk of the DGQ Fairy is making me sad as I’ve mis-placed the charger and replacements are hard to get.

I wish Sofirn would do the SC01 with a 10440 tube option, I’d be in for one of those to improve runtimes plus you’d have onboard charging.

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Oh hope you find it soon. Smile I had a similar situation just the other day. Was looking for my neodymium magnets for days everywhere and finally found it in my battery bin!:D

The 10440 tube is a great idea. I would get one right away. Hmmm I think I’ll go bug Sofirn about it! Party

 

                                                                                             

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Hank33 wrote:
Oh hope you find it soon. Smile I had a similar situation just the other day. Was looking for my neodymium magnets for days everywhere and finally found it in my battery bin!:D

The 10440 tube is a great idea. I would get one right away. Hmmm I think I’ll go bug Sofirn about it! Party

Would be first good idea I ever had…

Though, would probably have to be a simple extension tube as the main body houses the charging parts…

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I’m planning on making a 3D printed charger for 10180s but it’s going to take a while. I’m currently researching ways to sort out RPP since all these cheap little charging chips I’ve come across don’t have battery side polarity protection and I don’t want the charger to go up in smoke when you put the battery in backwards.

Should be ready in a few months time since this will be my first pcb design project and oshpark takes a while. Our local public library has 3D printers available to use which is great but I need to learn how to use 3-d modeling software first.

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I just bought a DQG Spy SS, battery included, no trit… at FT.

https://www.fasttech.com/products/3787202

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Estimated Shipping Date: 5/4/2021

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I have the DQG charger

The charger with the Spy brass body.

“In stock” at FT

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The 10180 is a novelty battery for a novelty light. Cool invention but it cannot be relied upon for emergency use. If your light has an electronic switch like the nano, the parasitic drain will likely eat up the battery while the light is in your pocket. When you need the light, guess what? You are screwed.

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Great feed backs but I think I’ll just skip 10180 flashlights for now. I already have 2 chargers and I don’t what a third one. Plus If I use my Opus, it might ruin the little guy. Kind of like burned toast. Big Smile

 

                                                                                             

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d_t_a][quote=zoulas wrote:
I have the SkyRC MC3000, but I’m not sure how to charge 10180 battery which is a bit too short to “touch” the slider. HKJ’s review mentions “need to use spacer” for 10180 battery, but I’m wondering, are there ready-made spacers or need to DIY. I notice that adding some extender (maybe a magnet) will typically increase the resistance noticeably (slowing the charging time — specifically the CV phase, if resistance is high)

This is how I charge my 14250 batteries. I just add a magnet to the positive contact, put into my Opus BT-C3100, and charge at 200 milliamps. There should be minimal resistance since the magnet is solid metal.

I’d rather use my flashlight around the house than turn on the lights.

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Steve Ku of Veleno designs used to sell a “nano” charger for 10180 cells. I have one that I got with a quantum dd. USB charger and it works well… if you can find one.

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NeutralFan][quote=d_t_a wrote:
zoulas wrote:
I have the SkyRC MC3000, but I’m not sure how to charge 10180 battery which is a bit too short to “touch” the slider. HKJ’s review mentions “need to use spacer” for 10180 battery, but I’m wondering, are there ready-made spacers or need to DIY. I notice that adding some extender (maybe a magnet) will typically increase the resistance noticeably (slowing the charging time — specifically the CV phase, if resistance is high)

This is how I charge my 14250 batteries. I just add a magnet to the positive contact, put into my Opus BT-C3100, and charge at 200 milliamps. There should be minimal resistance since the magnet is solid metal.

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Thanks for the idea! I’ll try to find a long cylindrical magnet (any idea if neodymium “rare-earth” magnets are good conductors or will add a big amount of electrical resistance?)
I suppose the electrical resistance is OK since most chargers may be charging at a bit higher current, and the resistance sort of lowers the charging current?

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I use the Xtar XP1 to charge these at a more or less proper rate.

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zoulas wrote:
The 10180 is a novelty battery for a novelty light. Cool invention but it cannot be relied upon for emergency use. If your light has an electronic switch like the nano, the parasitic drain will likely eat up the battery while the light is in your pocket. When you need the light, guess what? You are screwed.

Of the roughly 45 lights I’ve bought in the last year I’ve luckily yet to need any of them in an ‘emergency situation’ but I get your point. I did however buy 5 extra 10180 batteries when I bought a L/top Nano as the shipping cost was more than a single cell, I think 5 was like $15aud. Also got the 10440 tube so maybe the Nano is right now for emergencies lol. But with a full battery it has quite a useful runtime even with the 10180 I couldn’t run the thing dry going for a 1/2 hour walk. I wonder what light is king of the ‘emergency situation’…I suppose it depends on the emergency.

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zoulas wrote:
The 10180 is a novelty battery for a novelty light. Cool invention but it cannot be relied upon for emergency use. If your light has an electronic switch like the nano, the parasitic drain will likely eat up the battery while the light is in your pocket. When you need the light, guess what? You are screwed.

Parasitic drain is a fair question, I’ve left my DQG fairy for long periods of time without charging it, I suspect that there is no parasitic drain.

Sofirn SC01 has a different mechanism (its a ‘screw the head off to access the charging port’ kind of light, I do not know whether this has parasitic drain…. anyone?

It’s not too demanding to keep it topped up at any rate, same charger for my phone so always have a cable.

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I’m not sure I consider keychain lights for “emergency situation” criteria… That said, they’re better than nothing in a pinch.

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