Coronavirus **personal experiences** thread

I did in my last post. I’m trying to not turn this into a poo slinging debate, which is why I didn’t even highlight or credit the quote. A bunch of us in this thread have been on BLF a looong time and many I respect deeply. It’s tough because I see some very dangerous patterns emerging in society over the last year and it now seems like folks are just callusing into their opinions and emotions are driving ‘science’. When I see these trends repeated here it really disappoints me.

I don’t celebrate it, but I recognize that we live in a world where evil exists, people lie, and many people suffer unfairly. We all know that at ANY point in history - a snapshot in time - there is a mix of good, incompetent, and downright evil people in positions of power. Now is one of those times as well. I don’t give my trust easily, and especially to those with something to gain from misleading me/us. Skepticism, astuteness, and critical thinking has never been more important.

I agree with you on your last post, JaredM :slight_smile:

The reason why I joined the conversation is because of a tendency that I see happening a lot, and which is not helping fighting the pandemic:

When I get confused on what information to trust I look further away, I look up the most trustworthy sources (there is a selection of quality newspapers that already go a long way) and find my answers, I admit that my scientific background helps sifting the good from the crap.

But what many others do when they get confused what information to trust, they start looking closer and closer to home, trusting only people they know personally, and their stories. I think the reason for this behaviour is ancient human biology doing its thing (I’m a biologist btw), which at one time for many problems was a very adequate response, but in todays complex global world those reflexes are rather unhelpful to solve our problems.

My brute statistical logic tells me that close friends and relatives (and the random person on social media who acts personal) probably are not the experts with the right answer if difficult problems need solving, and professionals (scientists, docters, yes even governmental organisations) further away are the ones to listen to, not because they are always right, but they are way more likely to be right.

I agree that we want to avoid a poo-slinging debate. However, a poo-slinging debate is inevitable when we start accusing each other of saying things we did not say. I still do not see any posted statements in favor of ignoring evidence of a causal connection between a vaccine and side effects.

Very very true. And justifying which side somebody is on very quickly takes the conversation down a rabbit hole of social, political, scientific, and religious considerations, which, as true as they may be, have no place on a multi-national flashlight forum.

Well said. And if that subject turns controversial, then at least on this forum I’ll ask people to simply reserve their opinions on cat treats.

They probably do, but can’t conclude anything from it. Doctors hopefully listen and report such cases so we can have statistical data indicating a possible risk. It was this data that let me reject AZ and wait for B/Pf.

Next Wednesday I’ll get my first shot :partying_face: .

I was vaccinated mid March
now Im wondering if it is safe to travel out of state to visit family…

seems maybe yes:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fully-vaccinated-here-is-exactly-what-you-can-and-cant-do/ar-BB1epOJc

“grandparents who are vaccinated can interact with grandchildren”

“fully vaccinated travelers do not need to get tested or self-quarantine before or after domestic travel.”

“The idea that states are telling people that they don’t need to wear masks … at a time where the situation is still very tenuous, that’s very concerning,”


what is not clear to me, is How LONG does my vaccination protect me?

From what I hear on the news, the COVID-19 vaccines haven't been around long enough for us to know how long they will protect us.

We'll probably need a booster shot 6-12 months after we are fully vaccinated.

I can’t help but laugh at the word you used, ‘coincidence’. Yeah, it could be, but what if it’s not? Look, even leaders of a few european countries have stopped or put that Astra jab on hold over recent weeks/months, what does that tell you? I sincerely hope that I’m wrong here but I reckon that these blood clots etc are just the tip of the iceberg because there are no long term studies of these mRNA vaccines rattling around in a human’s body period, wait until a years time at least, ideally five or ten would be better of course but let’s just see if anything else comes to light within 12 months before thinking that they are indeed safe to take.

Can someone explain this to me:
some countries including mine have a pandemic curfew from 8 PM, or 9 PM until morning.
I fail to understand the reasoning behind this.
How does imposing curfews at nights limit the virus spread?
On the other hand, after such curfews now I am forced to do my groceries at day time and now it’s incredibly crowded! Before this I always did my groceries at night specifically because there were less people and I wouldn’t have to wait 30 min to 1 hour at the cashier. Note that this is not an exaggeration. I literally have to sit in line 1 hour to just to pay.

What struck me the most and raised a big ‘red flag’ a long time ago now is the censorship of other doctors and scientists who have raised concerns over these jabs,…for example professor Mike Yeadon, this guy actually worked at Pfizer for crying out loud, you would think that he’s concerns/points are worth exploring at least.

To me something really stinks here, what are the powers at be and main media so scared about, why don’t they want debate/information to get out to the general population?

Illegal parties happen at night, it’s easier for the government to impose a curfew than finding the illegal parties. Also excessive drinking that may lead to rule breaking is more likely at night. However IMHO a curfew at 9PM makes no sense, one at 11PM or midnight should prevent most parties, but that would depend on each country customs.

My country has no curfew (bars and restaurants must still close at midnight), but case counts and deaths recently skyrocketed, so we are not longer an example to follow. :frowning:

Like so many of their other restrictions, that don’t make no sense I agree, well not when it comes to the spread of a virus. If you research the Great Reset and watch/listen to what they openly say, these restrictions are all about controlling the population, closing down small businesses, curbing air travel etc etc.

@earthman: Please drop the subject and avoid this topic from now on.

’Cause politicians are idiots? (Yeah, I know, it’s stating the obvious.)

I remember during the Gas Crisis™ in the ‘70s, you were limited to something ridiculous like 2gal or gasoline per trip. So instead of gassing up once during the week to get back’n’forth to work (no such thing as working remotely, working from home, or telecommuting, back then), you’d instead have to sit in long lines on odd/even days (and that’s if you could manage 2 days’ worth of travel back’n’forth on that), letting the car idle all that time or just killing your starter and battery every time you moved up a notch. Worst case, you’d have to wait on those lines in the morning before work, then at home at night when you’d get back. Or who knows, maybe get your 2gal then head right back to the end of the line for 2 more. Ridiculous.

They probably think that “illegal gatherings” are going on at night, or that everyone should only be out during business hours and then stay home, when in fact the Unintended Consequences™ that even an astute 6yo would grasp, would dictate that now everyone who could do things in the sparseness of night, gets crowded into a tighter spot with everyone else who has to go shopping during the day.

Remember one-way supermarket aisles? If you forget something, rather’n going back half an aisle to grab it, you’d have to loop around through another aisle and then back, encountering even more people than you’d otherwise go past.

Politicians are like managers who think only in soundbites, and anything more complex than a dozen or so 1-syllable words ends up when them just glazing over and wanting a “simple” answer. So if it sounds good, it therefore must be good, when anyone with more’n 2 functional braincells to rub together can see how disastrous it might be.

In short, it’s business as usual. :confounded:

Oh, quick example. The house on the corner with their usual warm-weather luaus where everyone practically licks each other on the face, would still be having their parties. If there were any nighttime curfews imposed here, they wouldn’t stop having parties, but just having their guests crammed inside overnight for a sleepover, then leaving the next morning. Can you say “superspreader event”? I knew you could. :laughing:

Funny part? Having them stay over would likely be perfectly legal. It’s that going home at night that would be illegal.

Awwwww, and I had several of them chambered up and ready to go…… :beer: :beer: :beer:

What, cats or cat treats? :wink:

Opinions……… :slight_smile: :beer:

LOL! :+1:

I caught it. I fought it. I survived it. I picked up the pieces and moved forward.

You were one of the first ones here on BLF to catch it as far as I know. Really glad you pulled through! Great to see you here DBSAR.