There are unsupported claims in that article stating that the vaccine induced spike protein is somehow different and ‘safe’. I’ve attempted more research in the last 24hrs to find out how it’s different and have not yet gotten a clear answer. Obviously the synthesis route and mode and location of administration different, but I’m not sure about how there is confidence that the spike protein is contained and kept from the bloodstream therefore migrating to any part of the body with vulnerable ACE2. Also, as far as I know, and someone correct me with better peer reviewed info if I’m wrong, but currently every vaccine with emergency approval (USA) introduces the spike protein in one way or another and primarily functions by creating a strong immune response against it.
I thought too this was the explanation of post-vaccination thrombosis. However, from the Salk report, clearly marked in the opening paragraph:
Also, this publication (link ) from the OSF (Center for Open Source), which is usually peer-reviewed but not this publication (to my better knowledge) also concludes the active virus disrupts the mitochondria, but inconclusive with the vaccines, mRNA types ( page 7, bottom line).
From this publication of the University of Oxford (link ) there is a link to where they got their data and the above research paper.
So as JaredM pointed out, there doesn’t seem to be a supported claim the vaccine does not interfere with the mitochondria.
It is an emergency vaccination program and undoubtedly we will see side effects.
I should add that the OSF study CVT incidents post COVID diagnosis is about 150 per million (page 7) and those that receive a vaccine is about 5 per million for the Astra/Zeneca, 0.9 per million for the J&J. The incidences of the mRNA vaccines are on par to any random incidence of such in North America, at 0.53 cases per million. But this last data may change with higher sample size.
There is much number crunching and deciphering, and I must admit I did not look over the raw data. But evidently, post-COVID incidences of thrombosis* are higher than vaccination.
- I lost track between CVT (Cerebral Venous Thrombosis - pertaining to the brain)) and PVT (Portal Vein Thrombosis - pertaining to the liver duct to the intestine). There are other thromboses (clotting) but I believe they have been broadened and do not know of such documented analysis.
Pfizer and others have explained that the mRNA in their vaccine that instructs the cells to create the spike protein is broken down by the cell after the protein is synthesized, and the spike protein itself is destroyed when it leaves the cell and encounters an immune response. So no, they aren’t carried around in the bloodstream intact. And I haven’t seen any evidence that the vaccines have any negative effect on the mitochondria.
I’m not going to go into detail about this, because it arguably broaches a subject prohibited by the forum rules.
Thanks, Jared. Yes, I found the same claim about this being different, and also no explanation. I’m not worried since we have very little problems with the vaccine in contrast to problems with Covid-19. And I hope there will be no long-term effects of the protein fingers crossed.
This might be the price to pay until someone comes up with a better idea. And it should teach us some humbleness about nature and our understanding of it.
Edit: Saw NorthernHarriers and Sidneys entries too late. Hope you’re right.
BTW, back to topic - I had symptoms yesterday, but feel really well today, except the sore muscle. Maybe it was not related.
I got my second shot today!
My left arm (where I got the shot) was a little sore for 15-30 minutes.
Also, there was almost no line at all.
Four weeks ago there was a long line.
If I have any more side effects, I'll post them in this thread. 
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Also, I went to Walmart today.
There was a guy in there with a "chin diaper".
That's when you wear a mask, but you don't cover your nose or your mouth with the mask.
It's bad enough when people don't cover their nose, but c'mon!
I'm glad California still has a mask mandate, and I'm glad most people follow the mandate in my neighborhood.
But people that don't know how to wear a mask, or choose not to--I avoid them like the Covid. 
UPDATE:
My left arm is tender in the area where I got the shot, but it's no big deal.
I just have to not lean on my left side.
I hope it doesn't affect my sleeping as I always sleep on my side.
If they are escaping the cell, do we know where and how far they go before before encountering a proper immune attack? I’m not suggesting I have the answer, but with the shear numbers of vaccines and therefore opportunities for entropy to do its work, I’d say it seems statistically likely for one S protein in someone to enter the blood.
To be clear, I’m trying to keep up with the latest research and keep uncertainties in check. If you have links to detailed answers or research papers about the containment of the S protein, it’d be beneficial for everyone.
Not sure if theorising possible biological interference by body-produced spike protein is at any level relevant if real world mass data already available over a period of months and millions of vaccinated people does not show that harm, and I see no biological mechanism how this could become a longterm effect showing up only months after the jab (both the mRNA and produced spike protein is very unstable and is broken down in hours/maybe days, not months).
(And as a reminder: what the mass data does show is how incredibly effective the vaccins are in stopping both getting and spreading COVID-19, a nasty disease that actually harms people and kills, no-one a year ago would have dreamed how good the current vaccines would become and how fast they are available, and hopefully for the whole world soon. We are soooo lucky to have these vaccines and people seem to have no idea about that)
Post #7500!
(at the moment.)
All facts undisputed, I still find it nice to discuss the mechanisms, especially in this nice civil manner shown here. I learn a lot while browsing the BLF :+1: .
People around me are quite eager to getting vaccinated.
The 109 used to have a few points on Francis Lewis north of Northern Blvd they used as blind mans curves to catch speeders but the past few years they`ve been mysteriously absent which is unbelievable since where Francis Lewis and Utopia Pkwy intersect is a major death intersection, especially for motorcycles.
somebody is not listening
and still not listening:
I suggest people use the Report button… it is an automated algorythm that deletes reported posts, if enough people click it
How many reports does it take?
Not the place for tinfoil hats:
Although the obvious conspiracy theories that are wacky (“people with red hair are plotting with Volkswagen owners to take over the world”) are against forum rules and should not be allowed, I am less worried that people will believe them and act on that kind of nonsense than I am worried about the kind of nonsense that is an attempt to scare people away from getting vaccinated under the guise of being sincerely concerned about an alleged possible danger from the vaccines. The former is easy to see as false and coming from a malicious agenda, but the latter is more likely to be given some credence by people who do not have the ability or are too lazy to do their own simple research and find out that the various theoretical problems mentioned have no basis in reality and have not been reported even once in millions and millions of vaccine doses being administered over many months.
Wellp, it’s blondes and it’s now Voltswagen, but you were close. And the plans are already under way, so there’s nothing you can do about it now.
True dat.
‘If more North Carolinians get vaccinated, the state could end most pandemic restrictions by June 1, Gov. Roy Cooper said Wednesday, though the mask will likely remain. In order for that to happen, though, at least 67% of the state’s adults would have to have at least a first-dose of a COVID-19 vaccine.’
‘Cooper said his conversations with state health officials have solidified his belief that “we’ll have enough protection across our communities to be able to live more safely with this virus.”’
COVID-19 restrictions ending June 1? Only if North Carolinians hit key targets.
In Florida for a few months living the dream.
All government mandated restrictions here lifted.
Life is good. 
Florida confirmed cases are still growing
and people in Florida are twice as likely to test positive, compared to California
California cases have flattened the curve
both states have 30% of the population vaccinated.