If they are escaping the cell, do we know where and how far they go before before encountering a proper immune attack? I’m not suggesting I have the answer, but with the shear numbers of vaccines and therefore opportunities for entropy to do its work, I’d say it seems statistically likely for one S protein in someone to enter the blood.
To be clear, I’m trying to keep up with the latest research and keep uncertainties in check. If you have links to detailed answers or research papers about the containment of the S protein, it’d be beneficial for everyone.
Not sure if theorising possible biological interference by body-produced spike protein is at any level relevant if real world mass data already available over a period of months and millions of vaccinated people does not show that harm, and I see no biological mechanism how this could become a longterm effect showing up only months after the jab (both the mRNA and produced spike protein is very unstable and is broken down in hours/maybe days, not months).
(And as a reminder: what the mass data does show is how incredibly effective the vaccins are in stopping both getting and spreading COVID-19, a nasty disease that actually harms people and kills, no-one a year ago would have dreamed how good the current vaccines would become and how fast they are available, and hopefully for the whole world soon. We are soooo lucky to have these vaccines and people seem to have no idea about that)
All facts undisputed, I still find it nice to discuss the mechanisms, especially in this nice civil manner shown here. I learn a lot while browsing the BLF :+1: .
People around me are quite eager to getting vaccinated.
The 109 used to have a few points on Francis Lewis north of Northern Blvd they used as blind mans curves to catch speeders but the past few years they`ve been mysteriously absent which is unbelievable since where Francis Lewis and Utopia Pkwy intersect is a major death intersection, especially for motorcycles.
Although the obvious conspiracy theories that are wacky (“people with red hair are plotting with Volkswagen owners to take over the world”) are against forum rules and should not be allowed, I am less worried that people will believe them and act on that kind of nonsense than I am worried about the kind of nonsense that is an attempt to scare people away from getting vaccinated under the guise of being sincerely concerned about an alleged possible danger from the vaccines. The former is easy to see as false and coming from a malicious agenda, but the latter is more likely to be given some credence by people who do not have the ability or are too lazy to do their own simple research and find out that the various theoretical problems mentioned have no basis in reality and have not been reported even once in millions and millions of vaccine doses being administered over many months.
‘If more North Carolinians get vaccinated, the state could end most pandemic restrictions by June 1, Gov. Roy Cooper said Wednesday, though the mask will likely remain. In order for that to happen, though, at least 67% of the state’s adults would have to have at least a first-dose of a COVID-19 vaccine.’
‘Cooper said his conversations with state health officials have solidified his belief that “we’ll have enough protection across our communities to be able to live more safely with this virus.”’
Have you ever looked at the VAERS database for the C19 vaccines There are close to 3K deaths reported so far in the US and hundreds more serious reactions documented including cardiovascular and neurological episodes. The only false and misleading information here is that “[adverse reactions] have not been reported even once in millions and millions of vaccine doses”. NOTE: Despite stating these statistics, I recognize there are not mechanistic explanations for these events. Enumerable pathways and explanations exist. Some, but definitely not all will be coincidence or otherwise false. The VAERS data includes verified AND nonverified reports.
I’m sorry you are worried about this information spreading but these are peer reviewed papers from prestigious institutions. Saying this is ‘nonsense’ under a ‘guise of being sincere’ is your opinion as well (maybe even a conspiracy theory in itself). I am sincere. Sincere that I want to know what the heck is going on to the best of my ability. I won’t accept your interpretation of my sharing of information and allegations of me ‘scaring people away’ from the vaccines. Find where I said anything to that end and I’ll stand corrected. Additionally, if you want to refute the results of the researchers findings, I’m sure they’ll reply to your emails.
Not yet peer reviewed but in pre-print, a seemingly solid study from MIT/Harvard , has found substantial evidence that parts of Sars-COV-2 viral RNA has made it into the genome of recovered patients of the disease. This was said to be impossible by the same logic used to say that vaccine RNA can’t find it’s way into DNA. The reality is that all the answers don’t yet exist, and we won’t know the true impact of Covid or the vaccines for many years to come.
Lastly, if SB has issue with what I share I’ll take directions from him. I do not adhere to other members attempts at policing the forum.
I didn’t mention or refer to any member’s posts in Post No. 7506, above. I have never attempted to “police” the forum, contrary to the condemnation of me above, and I have no interest in doing so. I’m not going to get into a back-and-forth personal battle with anyone. I will just offer a few comments on information posted about the vaccines, because posting accurate information about the vaccines is a legitimate and allowed function of the thread.
First, the VAERS database does not say that the events reported are reactions to the vaccine. The reporting in the database makes that clear. That applies to the deaths reported, as well as the cardiovascular and neurological events reported. I have never claimed that adverse reactions have never once been reported relating to the vaccines, so I have no idea why that accusation was made in the same post commenting on my opinions.
The Harvard/MIT study reporting that finding about parts of the virus RNA being found in the genome of recovered patients has nothing to do with the vaccines, as the vaccines were specifically engineered to prevent that from happening, and there is no evidence, after millions of vaccinations and many months, of it happening with the vaccines. This has been explained many times in this forum. The vaccine mRNA never enters the nucleus of the cell, where our DNA material is stored.
It is also simply not true that behavior of the vaccines was thought by scientists to be exactly like the behavior of the live virus, in its effects on our DNA or on any other structure or function of the human body.
