how about use a flashlight to illuminate/indicate your target,
then use a pellet gun or slingshot for quieter discouragement?
Can someone explain to me Amazon allowing returns for perfectly working products?
If you buy something and it works as advertised, but your idea of what you wanted it to do doesn’t work, how is it fair on the seller to return that product?
Seems extremely unfair
Thank you!
our property is 2.5 acres, about 3/4 acre flat top where the house is and hill sloping down. the entire area is fenced, the 3/4 acre around the house has an additional fence separating it from the slop, cannot exclude critter access from the "hill" too many gates, and crawl areas under them and the fence...
the fence around the house area has snake fencing (1/2" hardware cloth 12-18" deep), chicken wire to 5 feet above ground, and an extension to 8ft all around.
Tried it, but she cheats, pretends that she has to go pee... and she also barks from inside the house at the critters.
our older dog recently developed epilepsy, fairly bad, and cannot be controlled by drugs (tried multiple drugs/combinations over the last two years). the indoor barking wakes her up, and when she does not get a good night's sleep, she is much more susceptible to seizures.
little monster is super obedient (except when it comes to hunting critters...) and has been trained from day one, though not as much as our older and previous dogs due to having to deal with the epilepsy...
it is amazing to see my wife work and train the dogs (on a daily basis). from the basic sit, stay, hang on, come, etc, to more sophisticated tricks, scent hunting, pulling, etc.
however, the dogs do know that I am a pushover and do take advantage of me (lots of stories, including all of them pretending to starve, and leading me to their bowls and food container... so I gave them a second dinner...). but not my wife...
but the little monster has a much stronger hunting drive than her aunt (our older dog), and my wife says not to issue a command when you cannot enforce the command (or know that the dog will not obey). so calling her to come in the middle of the night while she is hunting is not a good solution... though it is the only thing we currently do, with lavish praise and treats when she comes home. but little monster seems to take advantage and goes out and barks just to get treats when she comes in... wife is now working on teaching her the difference between "be quiet" and "come home"
she was crate trained when young, all our dogs were when they were puppies, but as they grew older, wife abandoned the crates other than on trips, in the truck and hotels.
have two, however, my wife stopped using them, in general, my wife does not like collars when the dogs are at home. she grew up on a ranch and witnessed several animals strangle/hang themselves on their collars. anyway the bark collars did not work as well as teaching her the "be quiet" command
thanks again so much for all the info.
-avi
It’s not, but that’s part of “a to z”.
Same like people who can’t read the ALL CAPS BOLDFACE warning to take out the insulating disc between cell and spring, then return it and 1-star it claiming it “doesn’t work”.
Like was said about WallyWorld also applies to Amazon, “The only thing worse than selling through Wal*Mart is not selling through Wal*Mart.”.
Ie, you gain a huge buying audience, but gotta play by their rules or else, even if you get unreasonably screwed.
when you are not at the store, and cannot touch/feel/try the item, a liberal return policy goes a long way...
and I do the same for Home Depot / Lowes, I am a software guy, when it comes to hardware, I usually buy everything that might work, and return the rest.
I do believe that both Amazon and brick-and-mortar stores re-sell the unused items.
-avi
As a store owner I find that attitude shi**y since it’s now secondhand and an honest business would list it on clearance marked as a return.
There’s reviews out there to read for a reason
Thankfully NZ is against such practices.
Edit: I’m referring to a used product, not unused as that’s required by law and not an issue to me
You think that people that return stuff to Amazon don't read reviews?
Many of them read tons of reviews, including myself.
Remind me not to visit your store or buy anything from you (if I go to New Zealand) because your attitude is really sh*tty.
Accepting returns may not be pleasant for a seller, but it's just the cost of doing business.
Buyers don't like to be stuck with something that they just bought and don't like/want/need the item.
If it’s correctly advertised and works as intended then the seller isn’t required to accept a return, why should he?
If it’s unused in its original packaging a return is required by law, but if its been opened and used that’s what I’m referring to
Pretty obvious what I was meaning if you read it correctly
Hey how bouts carrying a green laser pointer too. I use it all the time when the local Woodpecker lands on the vent pipes on top of the house and starts going at it! Damn man, before I found out it was a Woodpecker doing all that rumbling knocking sound, I thought it was the plumbing or something. Days going around flushing the toilets and turning on the faucets. })
Can't laser pointers damage an animal's eyes?
I mean, I was talking about using a flamethrower, but I was just kidding around. 
I frequently shop at Amazon because it's so easy to return stuff.
Sometimes I'm willing to pay extra just so that I have that option.
I don't abuse that feature, but I'm sure Amazon gets a lot of business because they are so customer friendly.
I always aim around the bird. Never occurred to me to shine in their eyes. My idea is if the bird is happy, then I’m happy too. 
But that pecking/ rumbling noise has gotta go! 
I’m talking about items that the customer has used and then decides they don’t want it. If it’s correctly advertised and works as intended, if not, then of course a return is within their rights.
I’m not referring to unused products that are still in their box.
I test everything when I receive it and again before shipping. All flashlights are inspected, I tighten retaining rings, add lube, clean contacts, test usb charging on my tester, and test lumen output to make sure it’s performance is accurate to my given spec. Only had 5 returns in 6+ years
This same post is on CPF and here. Three replies there and 44 here.
If you have an easy return policy it gets abused. Amazon has the easiest. Supposedly, Amazon watches for extreme abuse.
I did not know BLF existed and had an account there from years ago, though never posted...
CPF had to approve/moderate my post while here it was visible immediately, even as a new user
and you guys were very helpful, so I did not even check CPF to see if they'd approve my post
thanks for letting me know
just visited CPF, cannot even find my own post... even after searching by username... oh well
-avi
when you are not at the store, and cannot touch/feel/try the item, a liberal return policy goes a long way…
and I do the same for Home Depot / Lowes, I am a software guy, when it comes to hardware, I usually buy everything that might work, and return the rest.
I do believe that both Amazon and brick-and-mortar stores re-sell the unused items.
-avi
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There are very few flashlights that you’re going to be able to test in any store and almost never at night in the dark. There certainly are costs to businesses and therefore other customers when people are returning things for no damn good reason. And some items can’t simply be put back on the shelf although some can be. When I see objects on shelves that have had packaging opened or resealed in some manner I am reluctant to buy it because I don’t know if all of the components were put back into the package by some clown that didn’t know what he was buying or doesn’t care about the next guy that may buy it. I have returned items to Amazon twice. One was because the item was damaged probably at the factory and the other was because it was some unknown unidentified thread that is not used in this country. And when I went back and looked at the wording of the description it was clear that they knew it was a problem and worded things in such a way as to deceive. Edit, added more.
you are correct about flashlights, which is why I ordered from Amazon, so I can try it out. btw, it was much cheaper to get the same light direct from the manufacture, so I am paying for the privilege of "might need to return"
I do not abuse their liberal return policy, and if I do suspect that I might return, I very carefully open the package, make sure that whatever I return is in brand new condition, and I pack it exactly the same, with all components and accessories.
Not really about returns but how about the old “I did not receive my items yet” trick with Ali, BG etc. You know how it goes. Received the items but maybe, just maybe I can get another one for free lol.
Another one is where you just msg them because you really did not get it and it’s taking longer than usual… Then the next couple of days it arrives. 
Ahhh good times. 