Indeed. The ol’ venerable Missouri Redoubt. Show me!
Variables. Full moon to no moon, etc. Foggy, super clear out, humidity levels, altitude, etc. LED variables, bins, etc. Reflectivity of the target, size of the target, foreground/background surrounding the target, etc. Important variables to filter through before one can definitely say they know what they’re talking about on any specific flash. Everything else is ultimately conjecture due to those variables. So watt situational factors did the manufacturer operate under considering such variables (and others unmentioned) to come up with throw meters? Who knows, right?
Of course an indoor lux meter helps reduce those variables and will give a pretty good idea of watt the flash is capable of doing in real world scenarios. Especially since now there’s a boat load of data out there on other similar flash performances. Hopefully accurate data.
So, I’d rather see lux meter results first and then go from there.
PS. There’s a lot of historically proven BS hyped data out there in general. Hence one’s BSMULTIMETER needs recalibration on a frequent basis. It’s almost better for a manufacturer to underdeliver on advertised performance specs than to do the opposite. That way initial BLF incredulousness is overriden by real outperformance and then the word spreads. Sales rise. Almost everyone’s happier. Except for the newly excited buyer who pays full retail cuz there aren’t any discounts.
PSS. It’s also possible that Maxtoch did exactly that. Imagine if consistent real world reviews show that it actually throws at least 500 meters more than advertised. Yikes! Where do I buy one on sale!
Maxtoch only used meters in their ad, so I showed my measurements (based on the candela numbers I got: 776,000 cd)
Its priced at $139 without any discounts.
@Artiet59, ah cool. I can't remember if I saw that or not. But yes, although not reaching its claimed distance, it's definitely a great thrower. Still have to do the runtime test etc..
Will see how it compares to other single-cell throwers.
Although I understand the point of "what can you see at that distance" but measurements are still the best way to show the difference between lights.
Does this Maxcock employ the Osram CSLPM1-TG emitter?? How many metres is the new Astrolux EA02 rated for on paper spec sheet…1600ish meters? It’s reflector is roughly 56/7mm diameter and quite deep. The Max looks to be a great light but I get pissed off at my Olight Javelot Turbo & Warrior-X-Turbo as combined they were over au$500 yet my EA02 is just as good quality, performes better, has Anduril, I can choose what cells I use, can run a short tube 26350 & cost me $69!! I’d give up either Olights before the EA02 to be honest. Hopefully Maxtoch can justify its price.
This is the Boost HL, the 4040 1mm² size white flat. Can be driven harder with higher cd²mm. The EA02 has the Boost HX, the 2mm² version of the 4040 size white flat. More lumens, less throw.
The EA02 is only rated for 1369m, but falls short.
Maxtoch won’t ever drop their pricing because it messes with many bypassing the local dealers. Their pricing used to be very low a few years ago, but increased everything to be fair.
The X Pro has the CSLNM1
Keep in mind that the EA02 uses a Fet+1 driver which is inferior to constant current used in most Maxtoch models. The EA02 turns purple with a too high amp cell, so gotta be careful of that.
Astrolux has poor customer service and next to no warranty from Banggood, so you need to take all these things into account when comparing prices
Hey, it's been a decade and people are still a) complaining and/or b) not understanding the 2009 ANSI-NEMA FL1 ratings. Really? It was never perfect from the start but at least it's a standard that works across brands and models for comparison on basic numerical merits. Still have to interpret them with a little real world experience and consider all of the influencing factors. Maybe our enthusiast community could cobble together an update of alternatives for the standard. For candela, perhaps bumping it to one full lux instead of one quarter of a lux? I think we've been lucky that the majority of light manufacturers finally got on board with the standards - getting them to adapt to changes might take awhile, causing confusion or disappointment in the market until everyone is homogeneous again.
Look it up because I might be wrong but I think it's measured candela divided by the standard (.25 lux), then the square root of that. Changing it to 1 instead of .25 seems to give roughly half the value on the couple I ballparked. I actually think changing the standard might be helpful to consumers but I wasn't paying much attention when all of this was being discussed and I can't find a free copy of the actual testing standards (ANSI and ASME don't give away anything for free). I don't know if there's a chance changing the value could affect very low-powered devices in a negative (marketing) way or what other aspects might really matter and caused them to decide upon this seemingly worthless value of one quarter lux.
ChibiM - thanks for the very nice review I found on 1Lumen.com.
Unless you have an obsession for owning the best, brightest, etc, light, there is a small matter of the price. Maxtoch focusses on selling their lights to hunters, who value functionality over looks and price. But for me that price is just a bit steep for owning yet another wow-light. Slap in a green Osram and lower the price and I might be persuaded.
Almost everyone’s happier. Except for the newly excited buyer who pays full retail cuz there aren’t any discounts. 
