Meet the Maxtoch X PRO : the new single-cell "King of Throwers" of 2021

Interesting red crenulated bezel ring there.

Hey, it's been a decade and people are still a) complaining and/or b) not understanding the 2009 ANSI-NEMA FL1 ratings. Really? It was never perfect from the start but at least it's a standard that works across brands and models for comparison on basic numerical merits. Still have to interpret them with a little real world experience and consider all of the influencing factors. Maybe our enthusiast community could cobble together an update of alternatives for the standard. For candela, perhaps bumping it to one full lux instead of one quarter of a lux? I think we've been lucky that the majority of light manufacturers finally got on board with the standards - getting them to adapt to changes might take awhile, causing confusion or disappointment in the market until everyone is homogeneous again.

Anyone know how I would calculate that? For the ANSI rating I do square root of candela x 2.

It's calculated. In order to take a good picture of an object that far away, you need 3 things:

  1. Iceland clean air
  2. A camera with good lens and tripod
  3. A photographer who knows how to take night pics.

Look it up because I might be wrong but I think it's measured candela divided by the standard (.25 lux), then the square root of that. Changing it to 1 instead of .25 seems to give roughly half the value on the couple I ballparked. I actually think changing the standard might be helpful to consumers but I wasn't paying much attention when all of this was being discussed and I can't find a free copy of the actual testing standards (ANSI and ASME don't give away anything for free). I don't know if there's a chance changing the value could affect very low-powered devices in a negative (marketing) way or what other aspects might really matter and caused them to decide upon this seemingly worthless value of one quarter lux.


The ol' light wiki: https://flashlightwiki.com/ANSI-NEMA_FL-1

I'll read through this one later because it looks like some discussion to chew on without having to wade through a million posts on CPF: http://www.led-resource.com/ansi-fl1-standard/

I think the Maxtoch X Pro is interesting enough to deserve its own thread, so I started a new thread to discuss ANSI throw compared to visible throw

Good stuff Dave1010!

Thank you

Maxtoch X PRO vs Noctigon K1

Maxtoch X PRO vs small LEP flashlights

See the thick Blue/Yellow line

Maxtoch vs large LEP flashlights

See the thick grey line

ChibiM- thanks for the info!

question- In the K1 graph, is the "x" axis supposed to represent "lumens" or "candela? It's candela, right?
Thanks!

ChibiM - thanks for the very nice review I found on 1Lumen.com.

Unless you have an obsession for owning the best, brightest, etc, light, there is a small matter of the price. Maxtoch focusses on selling their lights to hunters, who value functionality over looks and price. But for me that price is just a bit steep for owning yet another wow-light. Slap in a green Osram and lower the price and I might be persuaded.

Translated quote of Fokke en Sukke:

“I see that it performs extremely well my dear fellow, but does it also work in theory?”

And I repeat once more: lux measurents are a direct measure of hotspot brightness and as such it gives you the same information of the real life throw distance that your eyes will give, but way more accurate (eyes suck at estimating brightness).

What will also affect real life performance/usability of a thrower is hotspot size and tint, beamshots can provide that extra information, but how bright things light up in a distance is purely determined by the throw number, as measured with a luxmeter.

I just learned about that comic strip after Googling the name...

Does "Fokke en Sukke" sound dirty in Dutch?

The names are reminiscent of dirty words but Fokke is actually an existing dutch name (Friesian), not sure about Sukke.

Yeah, on Wikipedia it says:

...the creators have pointed out that "Fokke" and "Sukke" are ordinary West Frisian-language names...

But in English, it sounds like something you'd ask for from a lady of the evening.

I changed it to candela :D

added some beamshots to the OP

If it sounds alike, it probably means the same. Or does it?

Here’s a quote for the Eternal Hall of Fame.
From our long-time-ago Secretary of State: mr. Josef (what’s in a name) Luns.
When asked about his hobbies, he replied: I fok horses.

EN: horse breeder
FR: eleveur de chevaux
DE: Pferdezüchter
NL: paardenfokker

Just not in that order.

Head-heavy. Nope.

Fun fact, i bought the original 2*21700 version L2K with Chibims coupon code half a year ago or so.
After using it for a few times the length annoyed me, so I decided to contact Maxtoch and ordered the shorttube. Using it together with 2*18350 cells, it served me great.

However after reading that newer Maxtoch versions support single cell, just out of curiousity I just threw in a single 21700 in the shorttube and guess what?

It just works as it should!

(Did not measure Cd’s yet, so i cannot guarantee the same output)