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I’m frequently holding my lights in a pinky-operated orientation. But I do prefer the standard location for typical flashlight operation.

If you’re in the pinky mode more frequently than not, why don’t rear switches appeal? That would be thumb-operated like the FWxx lights and such.

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How do you hold your side switch flashlights?

Very carefully Wink
I don’t like ano damage.

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“How do you hold your side switch flashlights?”

If my right hand is occupied then I hold it with my left hand.

If my left hand is occupied then I hold it with my right hand.

If both hands are occupied then I don’t hold it at all.

Hope this handy guide helps any of you having trouble holding your flashes especially side switch ones.

WTF. LOL

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True Color Rendition (TCR)/Simplified Definition: “On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the highest rating, a TCR will equate to what true colors you see in sunlight vs the same object’s colors you see when illuminated with a flashlight. The closer the two are, the higher the TCR rating will be.”

The TCR Reference Standard is the Walmart Ozark Trail OT 50L , Model No. 6103.
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Depends.

Smile, you cannot kill them all.

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How do you hold your side switch flashlights?
Very carefully Wink I don’t like ano damage.

How rough are your hands??


Not very but thats part of the potential dropping problem.
Concrete is very rough Crying

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“Depends”.

Ok tell us how ya hold your Depends?

I hold em’ between my index finger and thumb farthest away from the soggy parts. Arm fully extended.

Shocked

“In many things in order to truly understand the small picture you have to understand the big picture first.”

True Color Rendition (TCR)/Simplified Definition: “On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the highest rating, a TCR will equate to what true colors you see in sunlight vs the same object’s colors you see when illuminated with a flashlight. The closer the two are, the higher the TCR rating will be.”

The TCR Reference Standard is the Walmart Ozark Trail OT 50L , Model No. 6103.
It has a TCR rating of ‘10’. $1.00 including batteries.

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CRC wrote:
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How do you hold your side switch flashlights?
Very carefully Wink I don’t like ano damage.

How rough are your hands??


Not very but thats part of the potential dropping problem.
Concrete is very rough Crying

Lol, I knew what you meant, I was just intentionaly misinterpreting it


I successfully threw you off the scent from my metal bending superman strength grip Silly

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Side switch under my thumb, lens pointing forward away from me

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“Side switch under my thumb, lens pointing forward away from me.”

Appreciated how to. I was wonderin’ why my side switches were illuminating only my a*s.

Ya really learn somethings here that ya could never learn on your own.

“In many things in order to truly understand the small picture you have to understand the big picture first.”

True Color Rendition (TCR)/Simplified Definition: “On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the highest rating, a TCR will equate to what true colors you see in sunlight vs the same object’s colors you see when illuminated with a flashlight. The closer the two are, the higher the TCR rating will be.”

The TCR Reference Standard is the Walmart Ozark Trail OT 50L , Model No. 6103.
It has a TCR rating of ‘10’. $1.00 including batteries.

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That is a very interesting light you have

Thank you. I built it
https://budgetlightforum.com/node/72389

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The tail switch is a much better choice. I know this wasn’t your question but reconsider your objectives. The gas petal is always to the right of the brake for a reason.

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For side switch… usually fingers down, thumb up to operate switch, & light pointed away from me.

Is their any other way??? Wink Big Smile Big Smile

For the FW3A, other tube lights, & C8 size lights with a tail switch I use a “Cigar Grip” to activate & toggle switch. Then many times I will transition to the grip mentioned above.

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Side switch lights like purse! Real light have a tail switch, so you can hold it like a man.

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nottawhackjob wrote:
“Depends”.

Ok tell us how ya hold your Depends?

I hold em’ between my index finger and thumb farthest away from the soggy parts. Arm fully extended.

Shocked
I can’t impossibly hold it with just two fingers.

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Reverse (icepick) grip all day, unless the light is uber-tiny like the Olight S1. Then I pinch-grip it.

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Handshake grip with thumb on the button. Lens at the front.

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I hold mine sideways, gangstah style.

It looks so cool…

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Lightbringer wrote:
I hold mine sideways, gangstah style.

It looks so cool…

Dangit, beat by Lightbringer.

I was going to say I hope it like a Glock with sights on the side of the slide. Not enough “O’s” in coool…

This space for let.

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Wolf spider eyes. Showed that to a neighbor one night while we were shooting the breeze. He walked on the pavement going back home!

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thumb on the side switch///

(not “COP CARRY”)

‘’[[why do they do that?]]”

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CRC wrote:
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thumb on the side switch///

(not “COP CARRY”)

‘’[[why do they do that?]]”

This is what I mean by “holding it like a microphone”

If that had a side switch he would be forced to pinky operate.

For even lighting that doesnt create shadows, this is the best way to carry it short of attaching it to your forehead (headlamp).

It illuminates the fore-ground and background evenly without casting shadows from any objects in the fore ground over objects in the back ground.

If you have your thumb on the button, you are holding the light around your waist or if extending your arm, then at best still under shoulder height, casting light on fore ground objects that in turn cast shadows on objects behind them.

“Cop Carry” solves this. As do headlamps.

Im going to try and capture some pictures to better illustrate what Im talking about.

does that mean that Cops can’t really use side switch lights?

i find it easier to point and direct the light quickly and to more directions, in NonCopCarry

wle

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CRC wrote:

Ideally, light should just be cast straight out our eyeballs lol (and not our crotch area/hips)


Don’t think I agree with this.

Shadows can make it a lot easier to spot obstacles in your path.

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yes i agree, shadows can add detail

i will sometimes move the light around just to get differing shadows

no-shadows is one look, but shadows-from-different-angles, adds a lot of visual info

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C’mon. Side switch flashes aren’ t forced to be pinky operated held microphone head high like the pic.

If the switch is rotated to the upside down position the thumb directly underneath easily operates it. The other fingers rest on top providing directional and grip pressure working with the thumb. And if there were a rear switch too the index finger could operate it as well as for example, a Zanflare F1 with again the thumb operating the side switch from underneath. A bit awkward but doable depending on overall flash length, index finger length, hand spread width, etc.

*IDK how ya ergonomically came to this pinky finger restriction. Also the thumb being much stronger than a pinky and an opposing (primate advantage) digit makes it relevant of how a cop would deal with it. They don’t hold anything defensive/offensive in nature that’s inherently in a weak position. Without the thumb in play it’s flat-out in a weak position.

*(Unless I’ve missed something obvious in this thread that explains this pinky forced restriction.)

“In many things in order to truly understand the small picture you have to understand the big picture first.”

True Color Rendition (TCR)/Simplified Definition: “On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the highest rating, a TCR will equate to what true colors you see in sunlight vs the same object’s colors you see when illuminated with a flashlight. The closer the two are, the higher the TCR rating will be.”

The TCR Reference Standard is the Walmart Ozark Trail OT 50L , Model No. 6103.
It has a TCR rating of ‘10’. $1.00 including batteries.

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I avoid sideswitch lights.

For non tactical use, I prefer no switch anywhere, just a rotary ring.

if I Must have a button, I like it on the tail.

“Cop Grip” aka “Ice Pick” grip, is a Tactical hold, intended to be used for bezel strikes in CQC.. with lights that have “tactical” bezels, aka DNA samplers..

when combining a flashlight with a pistol.. the light should have a Tactical Tail Switch (raised button), so it can be used in a modified cigar grip.. pressing the button against the knuckles of the pistol hand:

here are a few more Tactical Flashlight grips to support a pistol. They all rely on a tailswitch, and an ice pick grip.

in the past, maglites were used in an icepick grip, thumb on the switch.. This made the body of the maglite into a striking baton. Now flashlights are too short to use as a baton, but the same ice pick grip works for bezel strikes.

For non tactical use with a tailswitch, I often use my index finger, instead of my thumb. And then I dont require a raised button.

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nottawhackjob wrote:
C’mon. Side switch flashes aren’ t forced to be pinky operated held microphone head high like the pic.

This.

It’s not rocket science.

For sideswitch lights hold them switch up with your palm gripping the body tube and your thumb on the button. The head of the light faces forward near the top of your hand. Like you see in pretty much every picture of someone holding a sideswitch light. This gives a secure grip with instant access to the controls with your thumb.

Sure the optimum way to hold a sideswitch light is not a “tactical” grip, but sideswitch lights aren’t “tactical” anyways.

If you want to hold your light head-down in a tactical grip, you’re better off just using a light with a tail switch.

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Firelight2……

I surmise he’s referring to holding it head high or higher which then makes a side switch awkward to operate with the thumb on top. Rotating the flash 1/4 turn to the left assuming right-handed allows the thumb to easily operate it from the side and as mentioned above rotating again puts the thumb directly under the switch. How a rear switch then somehow comes into play with a pinky IDK.

All this notwithstanding even if ya held the flash just as the manufacturer intended (switch pointing up) and way over your head then your index finger would naturally replace the thumb and the thumb would support it from underneath instead.

Someone thinks this IS rocket science. LOL Shocked

“In many things in order to truly understand the small picture you have to understand the big picture first.”

True Color Rendition (TCR)/Simplified Definition: “On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the highest rating, a TCR will equate to what true colors you see in sunlight vs the same object’s colors you see when illuminated with a flashlight. The closer the two are, the higher the TCR rating will be.”

The TCR Reference Standard is the Walmart Ozark Trail OT 50L , Model No. 6103.
It has a TCR rating of ‘10’. $1.00 including batteries.

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How a rear switch then somehow comes into play with a pinky IDK.

—- i think he meant using CopCarry with a sideswitch, then your pinky is near the head of the light, where the switch is

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wle wrote:
How a rear switch then somehow comes into play with a pinky IDK.

—- i think he meant using CopCarry with a sideswitch, then your pinky is near the head of the light, where the switch is

wle

Why would a cop put his thumb behind a tail cap when there isn’t a switch there to begin with?

“In many things in order to truly understand the small picture you have to understand the big picture first.”

True Color Rendition (TCR)/Simplified Definition: “On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the highest rating, a TCR will equate to what true colors you see in sunlight vs the same object’s colors you see when illuminated with a flashlight. The closer the two are, the higher the TCR rating will be.”

The TCR Reference Standard is the Walmart Ozark Trail OT 50L , Model No. 6103.
It has a TCR rating of ‘10’. $1.00 including batteries.

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copcarry w tail switch: thumb on switch

copcarry with side switch: pinky on switch (awkward)

and vice versa

“Why would a cop put his thumb behind a tail cap when there isn’t a switch there to begin with?”
—maybe to hold it better in case he had to bean a Bad Guy with the light (ie not for the switch)

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