looks like a lot of people arguing about news again
please stop⌠your opinions about the science is just creating useless arguments
in my personal experience, people make decisions about corona based on individual beliefs, that we cannot argue about here
Im lucky to be vaccinated and lucky not to have caught corona. I hope everyone here continues safe as well, regardless how we may feel about politics, religion, and corona.
I do not have the energy to explain how the Softenon case is so different in countless ways to the development of the current vaccines that any argument to compare the cases is unvalid.
Edit: to explain any confusion: this is a reply to a deleted post from Unheard
It heartens me that Mraz (link post #7647 ) and all of his family got Covid. And that someone in the hospital advised to be not vaccinated (ânot helpingâ and âside effectsâ).
That is tragic.
And then we have the class clowns fluttering their feathers in mockery.
And to top it off, confrontational people pushing their POV.
I come here to get some insights on peopleâs personal experiences and how/if lockdowns disrupted their lives.
Getting to compartimize those that are logical and open to dialogue versus the ill tempered and biased.
So a prejudice sets in whenever these individuals post on flashlights or whatever liberal subject that is the talk of the âtownâ.
Not to toss fuel on any fires, but bugger if I didnât find exactly that today. (I knew it sounded familiar, so looked back to find this comment, and yep, there it is, the same publication.)
COVID Shot Increases Your Susceptibility to COVID Death
As noted by Hirschhorn,22 several doctors are now reporting that the majority of COVID-19 cases they see are fully vaccinated individuals. Dr. Harvey Risch of Yale, for example, claims the fully vaccinated account for 60% of his COVID caseload.23 This clinical observation stands in stark contrast to what youâll read in the mainstream news. Lately, a slew of articles has been published declaring that most COVID deaths are now occurring in unvaccinated people.
U.K. data also show vaccinated people are at significantly increased risk of dying from the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2 than unvaccinated ones, which suggests antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) might be at play.
A June 11, 2021, report24 by Public Health England shows that as a hospital patient, you are nearly six times more likely to die of the COVID Delta variant if you are fully vaccinated, than if you got no COVID shots at all. The information shows up in Table 6 on page 15, which lists emergency care and deaths by vaccination status and confirmed Delta cases from February 1, 2021, to June 7, 2021.
And thatâs the same Public Health England .pdf cited above.
< 50 years:
82458 delta cases in total
52846 unvaccinated - 6 deaths
3689 vaccinated 2 doses - 0 deaths
> 50 years:
9571 delta cases in total
976 unvaccinated - 38 deaths
3546 vaccinated 2 doses- 50 deaths
â. ^ Total deaths in any setting (regardless of hospitalisation status) within 28 days of positive specimen date. â
It looks like being unvaccinated is clearly more risky. There are few fully vaccinated people under 50 in the UK because they had supply issues. Also with that description if you are run over by a bus within 28 days of testing positive you may count within the statistics, expect the final numbers to be a bit different once they refine the data.
I read the whole news article (newconcerns.com is the source, btw) you quoted above.
I wonât debate things as I donât have enough knowledge or sources for facts or arguments, and I can tell that some things are indeed scary if they are true (Iâm not saying they are not, I just donât have means to go further onto them and analyze that dat).
But much of it falls in discredit when it says that it COVID-19 has a lethality rate on pair with seasonal flu, which is not true as several comparative studies in hospitalized patients have shown. Nay sayers will still beat that dead horse until itâs rotten⌠:person_facepalming:
Apart from this, as this is about personal experiences, Iâm still working from home most of the time, although I go to my workplace when needed (I need to go there to make videos with my deaf colleagues).
Currently, my city is at risk of having more restrictions due to newer infections, mostly due to the Delta variant.
Despite I put things in perspective, specially after reading some less common info as presented on the article quoted by LB, this week I will take my vaccine. Iâm not sure which will be (eventually the J&J one), but I will tell about that when I get it.
you are amplifying an offtopic post containing bad data, that suggests a dangerous conclusion that promotes an anti vaccination agenda
and people will argue about that too
my experience is people pretend SB is not around, and whatever he said only matters if he comes back and reminds you to stay on topic
posting statistics is troll bait, and replying to them is promotimg the disinformation objectives, which is to gaslight people into doubting the science
My âpersonal experienceâ was that people were beating up on the guy, when I just stumbled upon the same info as he did, albeit from another source and a coupla days late. And that source was from Public Health England, not VaccinesWillKillYou.com or anything.
Just trying to undo a bit of âcyberbullyingâ that was going on⌠Like, cut the guy a break.
You did not throw any fuel on the fire LB. Rest easyâŚâŚ
YOU simply shared & verified, in a very clear manner I might add: info the other guy had already mentioned.
Information that anyone âconsideringâ taking the CV Vaccine would be well to know & consider as part of their decision making process as to take or not take the vaccine.
Thatâs all I really care to do. If someone wants to snort, smoke, inject, eat, drink, whatever, itâs none of my business, nor anyone elseâs. As long as people can make an informed choice as to whether somethingâs good or bad, thatâs whatâs important.