All right, break it up before I have to come over there.
Sheesh Penney we’re just having fun!
LOL
Touche Pas
You did not throw any fuel on the fire LB. Rest easy……
YOU simply shared & verified, in a very clear manner I might add: info the other guy had already mentioned.
Information that anyone “considering” taking the CV Vaccine would be well to know & consider as part of their decision making process as to take or not take the vaccine. 
you are both throwing fuel on the fire
and denying that youre doing it
not getting the vaccine is irresponsible, and dangerous,
to self and others
That’s all I really care to do. If someone wants to snort, smoke, inject, eat, drink, whatever, it’s none of my business, nor anyone else’s. As long as people can make an informed choice as to whether something’s good or bad, that’s what’s important.
I just want to bring light to the world…
In the risk group, the UK has nearly 100% people vaccinated. What you see in hospitals are mostly the (roughly) 10% of them where the vaccine unfortunately didn’t work. You probably won’t see a 25yo unvaccinated there, where the lethality is a fraction of a 1/1000.
So, it makes me wonder why only 6 times of severe cases are vaccinated in contrast to unvaccinated (according to something I read in a post above). Should be more, but my numbers are rough estimates.
Yes, but sometimes the truth is hard to see (statistics is not easy), so people like us need people able to interprete the data. I find it difficult to trust anyone here.
Agreed. One size Does Not necessarily fit all with this vaccine, or any vaccine really. There are “risks” associated with any of them, as there are risks with any medication. This is where risk/benefit ratio assessment comes in.
ANY person, if they so desire; should be absolutely free to make an informed choice as to whether or not to personally take the CV Vaccine. This choice should be absolutely free of harrassment, judgement, or peer pressure.
FACTS….
- These CV Vaccines are NOT approved for use by the FDA
- These CV Vaccines ARE granted Emergency Status use by the FDA
- SO, at this point; the use of CV Vaccines are one big human trial.
- It is required by LAW that people be completely informed of the benefits as well as the dangers of taking these trial vaccines in order for them to accurately access for themselves the risk/benefit ratio of them taking the vaccine.
- It is 100% against the LAW to offer prizes, inducements, pay (money), FREE STUFF, or anything in order to sway a person to receive the CV Trial vaccine.
The above FACTS are but a few of the things a person should consider.
I AM NOT saying don’t take the vaccine.
I AM SAYING to access the risk/benefit ratio as it applies to YOU & then YOU decide for YOURSELF to take or not take the CV Vaccine.
Reading statistical data well and getting the correct story out of it is something only a few can do well, it is not easy. The majority needs someone who does that for them.
Some people who do that have an agenda and present their own wrong story.
Some of the majority who can not read data wrongly think that they can and make up wrong stories.
Some of the majority who can not read data themselves listen to the people who made the wrong stories.
It is a matter of avoiding the agendas and trusting people who really know statistics.
But about own experiences: last friday I had my first Moderna shot 
I’m late to the party for my age group in my country because initially I declined the invitation for the jab because this spring I took part in a phase3 trial for a different vaccin (from Curevac) and taking the “official” jab would end my contribution to the trial, and I like to be helpful. But two weeks ago, the preliminary results of the Curevac trial showed a rather low effectivity for contracting Covid (less than 50% protection from that), so we were advised to take the regular jab on top of it. The protection that Curevac gave to hospitalisation and death was much higher by the way (over 90%), so I did not take life/death risks it appears
I realise that we are in a luxury position in the EU, and wished that everyone in the world had access to good vaccines right now (and not next year or even later, like some parts of the world 
)
Any side effects, djozz?
My mother and I had a sore throat for weeks, something that is not documented apparently. Otoh, her MD told her that this was typical for B/P in his experience. A mystery.
Btw, I have full protection since Jul 1st. Throat feels almost normal now. Second shot was 16th of June.
So what happened to India? Anybody here know?
With all due respect, I completely disagree with everything you have said.
Each of your statements are highly subjective.
We have done nothing but present a more balanced discussion.
Trying to impose your choices on others is what is dangerous & irresponsible.
Anyone is free to choose to take the Vaccine or not.
For you to impose your choices & beliefs on those people is 100% intrinsically wrong.
To imply, or in this case just outright say; “not getting the vaccine is irresponsible, and dangerous, to self and others”…. is just wrong.
Everyone is responsible for their own choices. You are, I am, everyone else is.
None of us can impose our choices on another.
Simple as that……
+1
I do not intend to put fuel on the fire but I would appreciate to learn more about the statistics of the UK Public Health article. I hope to reading more information on that matter to assess better what to believe or trust in and what not.
I’m sure you’ll find enough information on the net, but let me recommend you an article in the Spektrum:
Thank you Unheard, that is very helpful information. 
Some pain where the shot was given, shifting down a bit over the day (probably the vaccine stuff spreading in the muscle). In the evening and next day light nausea and general not feeling well.
It was the same for the Curevac shots back in March and April.
Last updated: July 06, 2021, 08:20 GMT
331,449,281 / USA Population
~ 621,335 / COVID Deaths
0.18746005 / % of USA Pop. Died
In simple laymans terms.
As of the above date in the USA there was a 0.18746005 % chance of catching COVID & dying with it.
That, as of the above date; is a 99.81253995% chance of NOT catching & dying with COVID in the USA.
Those numbers are simple FACTS. Draw your own conclusions.
If memory serves correct, the first COVID case was officially diagnosed in the USA about 17 months ago.
. I’m going to get my first dose, Astrazeneca this thursday. My superior asked me today whether I want to get vaccine or not. I said I won’t if it’s Sinovac. He quiet for a while and use his phone called to somewhere and later he said O.K. you can have Astrazeneca. Hmm, lucky me.
. While other country trying to use more efficient vaccine, my millitary government still buy and use Sinovac. Medical staffs who work on the frontline hot only Sinovac and now they infected by Covid delta but the millitary government still not give them any better vaccine and try their best to protect Sinovac’s name and ignore thise Medical workers. Dammit! You know, I don’t mind if I have to fight like Myanma righ now.
. O.K. on Thursday I will see what they will give me. If it’s Sinovac, I won’t let them inject that shit into my body and I might give a kind friendly smack to my superior. lol