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You have done your homework and welcome back. The SP 36 is a good all round choice. I have that same model and use it often. Load it up with some Sanyo GAs and you are good to go.

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ShyOne wrote:
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I heard (from a lawyer, no less) about a case where a guy was working on his car in his driveway with the car up on blocks, but had a few b33rs and was charged with DUI. I could never find a cite to that specific case, but did some poking around, and it is possible.

https://www.goinglawfirm.com/dui-myths-misconceptions/

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w0w… Completely UNBELIEVABLE!!! Facepalm

Talk about a screwed up “legal system”… Common Sense has left the buiding. Shocked Facepalm Sad

PREP? (Pension Revenue Enhancement Program)………. LOL Shocked Thumbs Up Beer

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The TCR Reference Standard is the Walmart Ozark Trail OT 50L , Model No. 6103.
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In pursuit of the latest and greatest, I mistakenly discounted older versions/variations of all models. So glad I looked again and left no stone unturned. I’m now a proud owner of a Sofirn SP36 BLF Anduril 5000K (scheduled to deliver in 10-14 days). It has many things goings for it: high CRI, better emitters (Samsung LH351D) than the SP36 Pro’s; better tint options than the SP33 V3; can stay in turbo mode longer than the IF25A. Although lower lumens than the SP36 Pro (5650 vs 8000), I read that it takes 4x the lumens to double the brightness. Good trade off, all around well-balanced.

In hindsight, may be I should have gone for the 4000K. But for real, I wouldn’t know any better. I have not seen neither the 4000K nor 5000K in real life to have an opinionated preference. May be ignorance is bliss!

No matter what, there is no turning back now, I’ll learn to enjoy my new light. I hope the hype is real, and expectation will me met. Can’t wait to be blown away when it gets here. I hope it’ll knock my socks off. Well, my bar is kinda low. The only reference I have for comparison is made by a brand called “refun”, powered by 3 AAA batteries, and bought 5 years ago for $10.

My journey is far from over though. I’ll have to learn Anduril, and learn it quick. I’ll need to find a way to attach a lanyard. The para-cord solution is neat, but I’m not sure I can do a good job. I’d like to add a diffuser to turn it into a poor-man lantern, but wondering how bad would it compare to a full fledged BLF LT1.

I’m glad I have found this forum. There are a lot of knowledge and wisdom on here.

Good choice. I also have SP36 BLF with same leds. You are going to like them, sure of that.
Also I got diffuser: https://sofirnlight.com/diffuser-for-sp36-sp36-blf-anduril-sp36-pro-p017...

It works. Hard plastic and considering SP36 can tailstand so easily, it works as long as you have solid surface to put it on. Only thing that LT1 got hanging loop… Well that ain’t problem either if you got some paracord and make lanyard out of it:

If you want it to hang even more upright, well just add cord on the other side too. Good camping lantern and nice beam profile of mixed flood/throw too.

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You will have no regrets with the Sofirn SP36 BLF Anduril 5000K for what your plans are. They are cheap enough so you can always get another. I have the 2700k model on the way because I have nothing with that warm a tint

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Now, don’t forget a headlight…

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Lightbringer wrote:
Now, don’t forget a headlight…
Exactly…. 2✅

And HERE is one that will not break the bank. $16.19 on sale!!!
And it is a good one too.

I use mine multiple times a day for one reason or another. ✅ ✅

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Put a good lanyard on it and you could swing it like a weapon. It’s got enough heft.

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Welcome back to the thread, it has been entertaining so thanks for starting it.

Get the diffuser for the SP36, then you can use it as a lantern as well. I bought the diffuser, but has not arrived yet, but for the Pro (got it in 5000K though). Then I went out and bought the BLF-LT1 to use as a travel lantern. You will enjoy the SP36 I’m sure, the diffuser will just make it multipurpose.

I’m sure I’ll use the LT1 more, but nice to have the option of a backup. Lantern also has a 2700K tint. New version can also be used as a powerbank.

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pennzy wrote:
You have done your homework and welcome back. The SP 36 is a good all round choice. I have that same model and use it often. Load it up with some Sanyo GAs and you are good to go.

I ordered the kit with the Sofirn batteries. Hope their batteries will last me for a while.

I’ll remember the Sanyo GA when it’s time to restock. Thanks for the tip on good batteries. Thumbs Up

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Sofirn must be loving this thread! $$$

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MoreLumens wrote:

Good choice. I also have SP36 BLF with same leds. You are going to like them, sure of that.
Also I got diffuser: https://sofirnlight.com/diffuser-for-sp36-sp36-blf-anduril-sp36-pro-p017...

It works. Hard plastic and considering SP36 can tailstand so easily, it works as long as you have solid surface to put it on. Only thing that LT1 got hanging loop… Well that ain’t problem either if you got some paracord and make lanyard out of it:

If you want it to hang even more upright, well just add cord on the other side too. Good camping lantern and nice beam profile of mixed flood/throw too.

I will absolutely get that diffuser!

I have only seen the lanyard solution where the paracord wraps around the light about a dozen time, and I don’t think I can do as good a job. I really like how you do the lanyard. The beauty in simplicity! And very flexible too. I’m going to copy that Smile Thank you!

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Dirty Water Guy wrote:
You will have no regrets with the Sofirn SP36 BLF Anduril 5000K for what your plans are. They are cheap enough so you can always get another. I have the 2700k model on the way because I have nothing with that warm a tint

I haven’t received my light yet, and I already think about something with a different tint than my 5000K Smile

Enjoy your 2700K model! I’m thrilled for you Thumbs Up

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Now, don’t forget a headlight…

Good reminder, thank you Thumbs Up . I’ll certainly need the headlight. It’ll come in handy when I need both hands free.

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ShyOne wrote:
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Now, don’t forget a headlight…
Exactly…. 2✅

And HERE is one that will not break the bank. $16.19 on sale!!!
And it is a good one too.

I use mine multiple times a day for one reason or another. ✅ ✅

To be honest with you, I’m so tempted. $16.19 is at a very good price point, great discount. Not too much pressure on the wallet :). Thanks for the sale alert.

Time for me to read up on this light.

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pennzy wrote:
Put a good lanyard on it and you could swing it like a weapon. It’s got enough heft.

Better yet, I’ll put it in a pillow case, and have a go at it! (Bad Boys reference, the one with Sean Penn Smile )

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andy_u wrote:
ShyOne wrote:
Lightbringer wrote:
Now, don’t forget a headlight…
Exactly…. 2✅

And HERE is one that will not break the bank. $16.19 on sale!!!
And it is a good one too.

I use mine multiple times a day for one reason or another. ✅ ✅

To be honest with you, I’m so tempted. $16.19 is at a very good price point, great discount. Not too much pressure on the wallet :). Thanks for the sale alert.

Time for me to read up on this light.

For the record, this was going for $12 and Amazon had it under another name a few weeks ago for $6. I think there are many versions of the same thing sold under a different name.

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Welcome back to the thread, it has been entertaining so thanks for starting it.

Get the diffuser for the SP36, then you can use it as a lantern as well. I bought the diffuser, but has not arrived yet, but for the Pro (got it in 5000K though). Then I went out and bought the BLF-LT1 to use as a travel lantern. You will enjoy the SP36 I’m sure, the diffuser will just make it multipurpose.

I’m sure I’ll use the LT1 more, but nice to have the option of a backup. Lantern also has a 2700K tint. New version can also be used as a powerbank.

I’ll definitely get the diffuser, and very soon. That will buy me some time before I pull the trigger on the BLF-LT1.

Thanks for the heads-up about the new version. I will wait for the powerbank capability. Hope they will be out soon.

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For the record, this was going for $12 and Amazon had it under another name a few weeks ago for $6. I think there are many versions of the same thing sold under a different name.

WOW!!! $6? So glad for those who got in on the deal.

Thank you! I’ll look for it and set a price watch alert with camelcamelcamel.

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zoulas wrote:
andy_u wrote:
ShyOne wrote:
Lightbringer wrote:
Now, don’t forget a headlight…
Exactly…. 2✅

And HERE is one that will not break the bank. $16.19 on sale!!!
And it is a good one too.

I use mine multiple times a day for one reason or another. ✅ ✅

To be honest with you, I’m so tempted. $16.19 is at a very good price point, great discount. Not too much pressure on the wallet :). Thanks for the sale alert.

Time for me to read up on this light.

For the record, this was going for $12 and Amazon had it under another name a few weeks ago for $6. I think there are many versions of the same thing sold under a different name.

I think if you check the $12 price on Amazon was for the D25S model… I got five (5) of them.

The $16.19 price is what is on sale now. It is the D25L model with the Samsung LED’s.

As far as the $6 model under “another name”…. why waste $6 on what is most likely gonna be a piece of junk with unknown crap LED’s?!?

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This is the one for $6, for working on the car and getting grease and oil on it, its perfect.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B094FSCV3C/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_...

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andy_u wrote:
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Good choice. I also have SP36 BLF with same leds. You are going to like them, sure of that.
Also I got diffuser: https://sofirnlight.com/diffuser-for-sp36-sp36-blf-anduril-sp36-pro-p017...

It works. Hard plastic and considering SP36 can tailstand so easily, it works as long as you have solid surface to put it on. Only thing that LT1 got hanging loop… Well that ain’t problem either if you got some paracord and make lanyard out of it:

If you want it to hang even more upright, well just add cord on the other side too. Good camping lantern and nice beam profile of mixed flood/throw too.

I will absolutely get that diffuser!

I have only seen the lanyard solution where the paracord wraps around the light about a dozen time, and I don’t think I can do as good a job. I really like how you do the lanyard. The beauty in simplicity! And very flexible too. I’m going to copy that Smile Thank you!

You can find that lanyard with more pics right here:
https://budgetlightforum.com/node/65229

Other good ideas too.

It’s really simple yes. Only thing with that thin cord is that it ain’t all that nice on your wrist when you hang your light for longer periods, but you could easily add more thicker cord for extra hanging comfort if needed.

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Agreed, if one routinely gets oil & grease on their head when working on a car, the $6 version might indeed be their best choice. ✅

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for a headlamp, I would Not want Low CRI, not even for $6… Im worth more than that.

andy_u, thanks for the update on what you ended up buying.
Congratulations on making a High CRI choice.
High CRI is the only way I fly.

about the LED you chose:
The 5000k LH351d is an excellent intro to High CRI and near Daylight white color temperature. Good for staying awake, alert and active. I use one as a headlamp when doing active tasks, in my case LED swaps. I switch to a warmer light when relaxing.

future factors to consider
the light you chose uses 3 batteries. It is important to keep them as a matched set. Mark them so you know they go together.

mismatched batteries can overheat when they try to equalize their charge

you can monitor the batteries with a voltmeter. They should all have the same voltage.

Never borrow one battery out of the set, to use in a different light.
Because that will run one battery down to a different voltage than the other two in the set of Three, and when the discharged one gets back together with the other two cells, there is a danger of venting with fire. This is serious.. do not mix mismatched batteries of different brands, different charge levels, different discharge specs, different ages.

about color temperature choices
I like to have at least one warm light, for relaxing in dark situations such as camping.

so the next light you choose, be it a headlamp, or otherwise, you have the opportunity to buy a warmer LED. I suggest 3500k.

on the left is a 5000k LH351D (similar to what you have ordered), on the right is a 3500k 219b

For an EDC light, I recommend you look at the Emissar D4V2 with short tube, it is available with 3500k LEDs.. I think it will blow your mind. If you spring for the titanium version with the short tube, it could be the one light to rule them all.. LOL

enjoy!
the journey is the destination

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You can find that lanyard with more pics right here:
https://budgetlightforum.com/node/65229

Other good ideas too.

It’s really simple yes. Only thing with that thin cord is that it ain’t all that nice on your wrist when you hang your light for longer periods, but you could easily add more thicker cord for extra hanging comfort if needed.

Awesome lanyard thread that you linked, thank you. I’ll have to reference that again when my light gets here.

My simple plan at the moment is to copy your technique of wrapping the light but reducing the hand loop to the size of a ring, just big enough to attach a carabiner to it. Then I can clip the carabiner to my belt loop, and also add a thicker cord to the carabiner for more comfort on the wrist like you mentioned. Hope my plan will work out Smile

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for a headlamp, I would Not want Low CRI, not even for $6… Im worth more than that.

andy_u, thanks for the update on what you ended up buying.
Congratulations on making a High CRI choice.
High CRI is the only way I fly.

about the LED you chose:
The 5000k LH351d is an excellent intro to High CRI and near Daylight white color temperature. Good for staying awake, alert and active. I use one as a headlamp when doing active tasks, in my case LED swaps. I switch to a warmer light when relaxing.

future factors to consider
the light you chose uses 3 batteries. It is important to keep them as a matched set. Mark them so you know they go together.

mismatched batteries can overheat when they try to equalize their charge

you can monitor the batteries with a voltmeter. They should all have the same voltage.

Never borrow one battery out of the set, to use in a different light.
Because that will run one battery down to a different voltage than the other two in the set of Three, and when the discharged one gets back together with the other two cells, there is a danger of venting with fire. This is serious.. do not mix mismatched batteries of different brands, different charge levels, different discharge specs, different ages.

about color temperature choices
I like to have at least one warm light, for relaxing in dark situations such as camping.

so the next light you choose, be it a headlamp, or otherwise, you have the opportunity to buy a warmer LED. I suggest 3500k.

on the left is a 5000k LH351D (similar to what you have ordered), on the right is a 3500k 219b

For an EDC light, I recommend you look at the Emissar D4V2 with short tube, it is available with 3500k LEDs.. I think it will blow your mind. If you spring for the titanium version with the short tube, it could be the one light to rule them all.. LOL

enjoy!
the journey is the destination

Thank you for your reassurance. It was a very difficult decision since I have no idea what the tints are like. After a long while of going back and forth, I felt that going with the 5000K would be a safe choice, as it’s neutral, somewhere in the middle of the spectrum. If I don’t love that tint, at least (hopefully) I won’t feel bad about it.

Appreciate your mentioning about battery best practices. Fire is no joke. I’ll be very careful with them.

Seeing your 5000K/3000K side-by-side picture is very helpful. Some of the things that I read start to click. A picture is indeed worth a thousand words. And for some reason, the warmer color tint gives me a sense of calm and peace. Now I understand why there are a lot of love for the warmer colors.

You have piqued my interest with the Emissar D4V2 3500K as I do need an EDC and want to experiment with a warmer tint. It’s also nice to have a Hank’s light in my collection. Perfect recommendation! I have a feeling that I will have this shipped to me very soon Smile

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andy_u wrote:
for some reason, the warmer color tint gives me a sense of calm

this is my experience also,

there are two primary ambient light sources in my day and evening
daylight and electric light bulbs

I tend to use flashlights closer to daylight, as daytime EDC

I use warmer lights primarily in the evening, or on the nightstand for when I wake in the dark, and for camping, where there is natural darkness.

daylight is nominally 5600k, by buying a 5000k light you have adressed that niche of the cooler end of the spectrum. Day like light is suitable for high energy activity. The higher blue content suppresses melatonin and keeps us alert.

Incandescent light bulbs are nominally 3000k. That warmer end of the spectrum is good for relaxing, has less blue light, helps support higher melatonin levels that promote restful sleep. By choosing 3500k as an evening light, I am finessing the color temperature to be just slightly cooler than my house lights. This makes the beam stand out as slightly “brighter” (actually cooler,) or as some would say “whiter” (actually bluer), than the ambient light.

enjoy the quest for your grail light(s)
there can Not be only one… Lol!

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there can Not be only one… Lol!

Agreed!

At first I was planning on getting only one light, just good enough to cover a majority of future/unanticipated use cases. But as I get further along on this journey, I realize where’d be the fun in that. Variety is the very spice of life Smile

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My side gig is as a bouncer at pubs and clubs and I have used a flashlight defensively a few times. Now if the Hell’s Angeles are all methed up and angry that you won’t let them in a flashlight is not going to save you on its own but a large dose of candela to the eyeballs in a dark environment usually gets you a startl response and takes people a few seconds to get their vision back and those seconds can be very useful. I don’t do it much anymore but I used to do over night static security and a high candela light was awesome for prevention light someone up for a few seconds a 100 metres away and they would turn around and jump the fence and go away saving me possible confrontation and paperwork.

Additionally in my country perper spray in illegal except for the police and so is “carrying tools for self-defence” but a flashlight as long as it’s not the size odlf a batton and doesn’t have huge spikes coming out raises no questions as well as if I light someone up who didn’t need to be lit up they can complain to the police but the police are very unlikely to do anything about if if no one was hurt/no physical contact was made.

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My side gig is as a bouncer at pubs and clubs and I have used a flashlight defensively a few times. Now if the Hell’s Angeles are all methed up and angry that you won’t let them in a flashlight is not going to save you on its own but a large dose of candela to the eyeballs in a dark environment usually gets you a startl response and takes people a few seconds to get their vision back and those seconds can be very useful. I don’t do it much anymore but I used to do over night static security and a high candela light was awesome for prevention light someone up for a few seconds a 100 metres away and they would turn around and jump the fence and go away saving me possible confrontation and paperwork.

Additionally in my country perper spray in illegal except for the police and so is “carrying tools for self-defence” but a flashlight as long as it’s not the size odlf a batton and doesn’t have huge spikes coming out raises no questions as well as if I light someone up who didn’t need to be lit up they can complain to the police but the police are very unlikely to do anything about if if no one was hurt/no physical contact was made.

Thanks for sharing your experience.

I hear ya! If I ever need to shine my light into someone’s eyes, I’ll count on those critical few seconds and make the most of it.

I like your story about your time doing static security, reminding me of the art of fighting without fighting Smile

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Vimespolly wrote:
in my country perper spray in illegal except for the police and so is “carrying tools for self-defence”

imho, one of the best ways to deter a dog is to have a walking stick, which IS legal in most places
(except in California if it is a straight cane, that does not have a crook neck, it can be considered an illegal billy club)

https://savateaustralia.wordpress.com/essays/self-defence-with-a-cane/

although that article suggest Not carrying a crook neck cane, there is a whole school of self defense that uses a weaponized crook neck cane (but any cane is better than no cane, against a dog)
https://canemasters.com/cane-master-canes/custom-walking-canes/grand-mas...

I had a dog charge me, at the beach during the day, when a flashlight is useless.
Before he reached me, I picked up a stick and prepared to engage. He immediately stopped the charge, and ran. I made sure to keep hold of that stick until I was out of the area. The dog never attempted to reengage.

A separate problem with out of control dogs, is they have out of control owners… there is no reasoning with them either… The owner will get angry, will become abusive and claim their dog is friendly. In both cases, the stick sends a clear and silent message to define my physical boundary.

many of the USA members here, immediately assume they can use a gun.. This is not an option in California, nor most other countries. (see what I did there?;-) )

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