Strobe on angry dog

[arow55]

@Camaro

Whether a flashlight will help is basically dependent on which behaviour the dog is exhibiting as much as the breed.

If a dog is trained to attack, or decides it needs to be in attack behaviour then a flashlight will do nothing to dissuade it.

If the dog is in guard behaviour a flashlight may help, but that would be mostly because you are not moving. It will monitor you to see if it needs to take further action or until the owner lets it know otherwise.

Pit bulls are a breed that were bred for pit fighting so the aggression is built into the breed as that was a trait that it was bred for, any animal can have that type of breeding. Pit bull owners are the biggest cause of attacks, if they are attracted to the dog as a power symbol. Pit bulls and Rottweilers are considered more dangerous because they have the strongest bite pressures and can also lock/clamp onto the victim.

Any dog that has a bad owner is a liability. A “bad breed” with a good owner is less of a liability. A good breed with a good owner makes up the majority of ownership. I’ve dealt with hundreds if not thousands of dogs over the years and only got bit once, it was a German Shepherd with a bad owner. Got me by surprise because the original owner was the bad one, new owner had not fully learned/trained the dog.

As Texas Shooter mentioned, show fear to a dog and it will react. Stand up and it may back down. Once had a 80lb pitbull charge across the yard at me with no chance of escape. Just stood there without moving and it just stayed there and barked until the owner showed, was in guard mode. Every neuron in my brain said to run because it was a pitbull, that would not have ended well.

I’ve heard that felons liked pit bulls for protection because can’t or rather shouldn’t own gun.

[raccoon]

I don't have a great fear of Rottweilers or German Shepherds in general, but they have great bite strength like pit bulls do.

If I hear any dog is dangerous, or if it's a police dog trained to bite, I stay the heck away from them as well.

[arow55]

Also would day or night make a difference? Someone must have annoying neighbor dogs behind fence to experiment on.

[sarge12]

Can we all just agree…a flashlight is not a weapon. I would never use one for self defense. On the other hand, it is good to be able to see what I shoot at.

[Lightbringer]

Well…

[Frostcream]

@Henk4U2

Most animals have that bunnies-in-the-headlights mechanism. They are frozen.

That certainly lines up next to my real-world experience with an extremely aggressive dog.

On a walk at night, my 7 year old daughter came running back at top speed screaming because she was being chased by a extremely nasty boxer. “You’re going to get severely injured tonight.” kind of chased.

I turboed the D18 I was carrying at it and it did stop. In fact, it was basically frozen staring at the light. Frozen long enough that it’s caretaker caught up to it and got it under control.

I had no time for strobe, but I think just a solid punishing beam is probably more effective. Strobe gives relief between beams, solid punishing beam does not.

Very glad the D18 did indeed stop it.

[ShyOne]

@djmcconn

Don’t take a flashlight to a …….

@sarge12

Can we all just agree…a flashlight is not a weapon. I would never use one for self defense. On the other hand, it is good to be able to see what I shoot at.

I have nothing against animals, be they 4 legged or 2. BUT if either try to attack & do me harm… I am going to do my absolute best to kill them graveyard dead.
The end……

[arow55]

Everyone is scared of gators, snakes, cougers, and bears but man’s best friend is the biggest killer in the USA anyway.

[ShyOne]

@arow55

Everyone is scared of gators, snakes, cougers, and bears but man’s best friend is the biggest killer in the USA anyway.

True… +1. ^

[sarge12]

@arow55

Everyone is scared of gators, snakes, cougers, and bears but man’s best friend is the biggest killer in the USA anyway.

I think other humans would take that dubious honor by a longshot, and for often much less reason.

[Henk4U2]

@arow55

Everyone is scared of gators, snakes, cougers, and bears but man’s best friend is the biggest killer in the USA anyway.

Looks can be deceptive. The biggest killer in the African wild is the cuddly looking hippo.

[Lightbringer]

@Henk4U2

Looks can be deceptive. The biggest killer in the African wild is the cuddly looking hippo.

That’s because they’re hungry hungry.

[cohoer]

[nottawhackjob]

Shhhheeeeeeiiiiittttt. And all this time I thought strobes were useless cuz 99.99% sed they were. Humans can be phickle creatures.

PS. Cuz 99.99% typically also sed strobes are useless on angry charging humans too ya know. Hate them on flashes even if hidden 12 presses from standard UI.

I’d like ta hear some dogs opinions tho’ so I get both sides of this developing story.

[pennzy]

Woof

[nottawhackjob]

@pennzy

Woof

Thank you!

Your opinion is appreciated.

[CR888]

@Henk4U2

@arow55

Everyone is scared of gators, snakes, cougers, and bears but man’s best friend is the biggest killer in the USA anyway.

Looks can be deceptive. The biggest killer in the African wild is the cuddly looking hippo.

The real biggest killer in Africa is the mosquito. Not as exiting as the Big 5 but…well either is a AAA on strobe facing an enraged Pitbull.

[richbuff]

How about a strobe flashlight that has a built in alarm that reminds me to shut my door before I go to sleep? https://blog.dogsbite.org/2011/08/after-22-million-award-dog-bite-victim.html

[dthrckt]

On July 4th we had some fireworks. I had a couple cans of liquid courage and was standing pretty close to the (spark/pop shower type but not small) fireworks. My rotty looking dog just sat right next to me looking at them (the sparks landing at our feet). Other 2 dogs hid nearby.

I also had Wurkkos DL70 (13k? lumen) there and had to make sure I didn’t shine it at any of the dogs because they just stare at it! (no strobe mode on any lights I had).

But, I have a stun gun (not a taser) - the type w/ 2 contacts up front - and when you turn that thing on and it starts crackling all the dogs RUN unless I demand they stay. It seems like they know it is electricity (they don’t).

Now, an angry dog? I’d still take the taser over strobe (and after 12ga) every time.

[texas_shooter]

Follow through with a use of force continuum. Six-step model: Your presence, Verbal commands, Soft controls, Hard controls, Intermediate Weapons, and Lethal force. Animal attacks put you in the last three; Hard controls, Intermediate Weapons, and Lethal force. Teeth are usually in the Lethal force part, shinny light is not. If you do not meet force at a greater degree than is used on you, you do not win. Size of the threat does give you a bit more flexibility. Hard to explain a shotgun vs Maltese. Equally hard to explain shiny light vs Large aggressive dog. For those of you that think you must be hit/bit first to respond to force, NO. Reasonable fear of injury is the standard used in law. Your age, size, health, sex and training do play factors in reasonable fear.