Should we be worried?

Yes and No.

Not to get political but the politicians went after those few coal miners left in west Virginia. They put them out of business. Promised them “green” jobs” which as we know never happened. The women were forced to turn into prostitution to feed their families, There was wide spread drug abuse. To think that those coal miners were going to get office jobs selling solar panels is absolutely absurd.

I was thinking more of the raw materials, if priority is going to all these electric vehicles and companies will there be enough for us and our recreational use? And if so, at what price? I keep reading that lithium production will hit a bottleneck by 2025 or something like that.

Another similar thread.SEE my Post #8 with an explanation derived from a battery dealer and owner, Jon from Liionwholsale.com

He started mentioning this in December 2020 and elaborated in Late March 2021…basically old news.

I wonder about the future of 18650s. They were produced in the zillions for every laptop in the world.
Now none of laptops use them.
Then some electric cars used them in the millions(?) of cells.
Now makers seem to be moving to a higher density cell.

What’s left for the 18650? Lots of medical devices use them for internal backups. Many inexpensive rechargeable thingies use them. But perhaps it is the abundance of cheap 18650s that drives the inexpensive thingies market.
If another format becomes the cheapest option, the cheap thingies market will shift.

Remember the 5.25” floppy drive? They went from common as sand on a beach to not available in like a year of two. And I’ve still got 3 new in the wrapper ones sitting on the shelf. Guess I didn’t read that one real well.
All the Best,
Jeff

I had a Commodore 64 and remember the 5.25" floppy disks well.

“You freeze milk and eggs?”
yes.
“You are kidding right?”
no.

Can You Freeze Milk? Guidelines for Different Types.
Can You Freeze Eggs?

ammo in the refrigerator:
i said “try”.

Won’t matter what the United States or Europe does if China doesn’t stop burning coal. We’re just a rounding error compared to their emissions.

Agree 100% with that statement. I remember reading that the way China is growing they are having to build a new coal burning power generating plant every week to provide enough electricity for their needs.

The problem the world has is over population. End of story.

If you were to cover the entire earth in solar panels, it would not yield enough energy for 10% of the planet.

We are being told complete crap by politicians. Some believe it, some don’t. I don’t.

Trying to bring this thread back on track: Should you stock up on 18650 (and other cells) now?

My thoughts along the lines of this, too:

Perhaps, in the future, 5-10 years, new 18650 flashlights won’t be a thing any more as manufacturers make bodies to fit whatever the popular cell size is at that time. Cells last 5+ years after theyre manufactured, so plenty of time to upgrade.

Could well be possible to bore the bodies of our lights to take new sized cells- used to be a popular Surefire mod to run 18650 cell in place of CR123s…

Better yet: we just make a BLF groupbuy for BLF designed cells :money_mouth_face:

Does anyone have a few million dollars to spare :stuck_out_tongue:

Not here - that's the other BLF (Billionaire Light Forum).

I want a light with the new 4680(0) Tesla battery

Yeah, their 46800 cell looks pretty nice.

Dry electrode tech, tabless design, aluminium casing, chemistry tweaks.

Hopefully the 18650 size will be similar to AAs and 9 volt batteries, a staple for lots of stuff for many years/decades to come.

But if not, what can we do? Li-ion batteries will only last so long (even if not used) so it doesn’t seem practical to stock up on them. For me, I guess I’ll take my favorite LEDs and drivers and transfer them to new hosts.

To me capacitors are the holy grail…. They charge in less than a minute and can discharge hundreds of thousands of times. The only issue is they have lower capacity than Li-ion

Someone made a handheld power drill with one but I can’t seem to find it. I think it only have half the run time as a chemical battery drill though

edit https://www.instructables.com/Rechargeable-Handheld-Capacitor-Flashlight/

Yes, Casio watches use them. They will run virtually continuously. They need light once a week for a minute or so. Incredible technology.

I guess yes to a certain extent, as you know such great convenience comes at a price. We may be saving money on fuel by using electrical vehicles but the point of worry is that there will be a massive decrease & inadequacy in manufacturing elements. Therefore, chances are high either resources will be squeezed or prices are gonna touch the sky as you mentioned. However, the environment expect a bit of relief. So it's a win-win situation if manufacturers are able to preserve and provide services for so long without putting anything at stake, then it will be a great alternative and if not, we will have to be ready to pay some extra money to run electrical vehicles.

I was thinking yesterday that since global warming seems to already be happening and is rather inevitable, it might be better to look at adapting - I.e. ensuring plentiful access to electricity, air conditioning…

However I just saw an article that talked about how A/C is (obviously) making the world hotter.

Certainly a less than ideal situation. Maybe we should indeed be building O’Neil cylinders and building cities on Mars, the moon, asteroids, etc.

This is just another chapter for planet earth. Human beings are going to destroy themselves. One day, the new civilization will be talking about us the same we we talk about dinosaurs. The good news is we have about 50 million years before the full damage is complete. So we have some more time to buy flashlights.