IKEA kills off LADDA NiMH made in Japan

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samgalax wrote:
1900mAh and 1000 cycles only? Are you sure they are really rebadged eneloops?

No, the user community has never been sure with any of the batteries believed to be rebadged Eneloops.

However, if I remember correctly, for the time when AmazonBasics NiMH batteries were made in Japan, they were also marked as good for 1,000 cycles.

It is possible that they are rebadged Eneloops, but come from batches that don’t test as well as those distributed under the Eneloop brand, or that Fujitsu does not allow businesses selling their batteries under other names to claim the same cycle life as Eneloops in order to preserve brand value.

  • Edit – and, of course, it is also possible that they are not Eneloops at all.
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Ahhh ok. I understood now.

Hope they will reach my city to buy them locally

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For me they come for sure out of the same factory because of the "puncturing" on the bottom.
This doesn't mean they are Eneloops of course and just tells me that they are from FDK.

But we already know that FDK is the only NiMh manufacturer in Japan so my information is basically useless. Big Smile
Just wanted to share my observation with you.

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Note to Canadians, the old ones are on sale for CAD$3.99 for either the AA or AAA 4-packs until June 30th. That’s down from the regular $9.99 and $8.99, respectively.

https://www.ikea.com/ca/en/p/ladda-rechargeable-battery-70303876/
https://www.ikea.com/ca/en/p/ladda-rechargeable-battery-90303880/

They can also adjust the price from previous purchases, but they give the credit on a gift card. To get refunded, it can be returned within 365 days as long as it’s unopened.

Got myself a fresh batch:

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I was in the IKEA store in Ghent, Belgium and they only had (quite a lot) white AAA’s on discount (€4.99 instead of €6.99, so I bought quite a few haha). The white AA’s were gone. The new grey AA/AAA batteries I looked at were all made in Japan!

So just to confirm, the grey big capacity AA (2450mAh) is exactly the same as the old white AA?

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The newest IKEA LADDA NiMH batteries with the "grayish-blue colored wraps" (that replace their older batteries with the white colored wraps) are in-stock at IKEA stores located in the US.

 

Links to the current offerings:

$2.00 each for IKEA LADDA 2450 mAh NiMH AA (4-pack for $7.99)

$1.50 each for IKEA LADDA 1900 mAh NiMH AA (4-pack for $5.99)

$1.38 each for IKEA LADDA 750 mAh NiMH AAA (4-pack for $5.49)

 

I have not been to the store to inspect them, but I am hoping the batteries are still manufactured in Japan.

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roostre wrote:

The newest IKEA LADDA NiMH batteries with the “grayish-blue colored wraps” (that replace their older batteries with the white colored wraps) are in-stock at IKEA stores located in the US.

Links to the current offerings:


$2.00 each for IKEA LADDA 2450 mAh NiMH AA (4-pack for $7.99)


$1.50 each for IKEA LADDA 1900 mAh NiMH AA (4-pack for $5.99)


$1.38 each for IKEA LADDA 750 mAh NiMH AAA (4-pack for $5.49)


I have not been to the store to inspect them, but I am hoping the batteries are still manufactured in Japan.

Great prices! There was evidence already posted they are made in Japan, so hopefully no surprises there.

I hope we are able to confirm the quality, but for that price I will go ahead and buy some 1900mAh and 750mAh regardless, since I need more AA and AAA rechargeables anyways.

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Well, I just tried to order some & they said they could not deliver them. But I could pick them up at the store closest to me, which is Atlanta… about 2 hours away. Sad

They would have to pay me to drive to Atlanta & get tangled up in that huge traffic jam to get a few packs of batteries. Facepalm Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile

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Sale is still on! Picked up 6 packs at 3.99 each here in Calgary.

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maybe they will switch over to lithium rechargeables

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used to try to use in minidisc recorders, terrible product [ the batteries ]

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wle wrote:
maybe they will switch over to lithium rechargeables

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The best like eneloop have some advantages over lithium maybe give them a try.
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To each their own, but as far as I am concerned; Eneloops are the “Gold Standard”. ✔

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In the case of NiMH, you get watt you pay for.

Eneloops.

“In many things in order to truly understand the small picture you have to understand the big picture first.”

True Color Rendition (TCR)/Simplified Definition: “On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the highest rating, a TCR will equate to what true colors you see in sunlight vs the same object’s colors you see when illuminated with a flashlight. The closer the two are, the higher the TCR rating will be.”

The TCR Reference Standard is the Walmart Ozark Trail OT 50L , Model No. 6103.
It has a TCR rating of ‘10’. $1.00 including batteries.

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arow55 wrote:
wle wrote:
maybe they will switch over to lithium rechargeables

i hated nimh

used to try to use in minidisc recorders, terrible product [ the batteries ]


The best like eneloop have some advantages over lithium maybe give them a try.

i’m not going back,but curious, what advantages?

other than safety [tradeoff for lower power and energy density]…

i think the worst thing is, you cannot tell what their state of charge is, like ever..

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With lion 1.5v AA you absolutely can tell nothing at all about the charge state other than 1.5v>>>>>>>0.0v, due to the circuitry.
You can tell “something” about NiMh. Not perfect, but it’s something.

Decent NiMh have more capacity, and far more current capability. They have less parasitic draw again due to the circuitry. LSD NiMh can retain voltage much longer, and cost WAY less.
Lion AA are expensive.

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wle wrote:
arow55 wrote:
wle wrote:
maybe they will switch over to lithium rechargeables

i hated nimh

used to try to use in minidisc recorders, terrible product [ the batteries ]


The best like eneloop have some advantages over lithium maybe give them a try.

i’m not going back,but curious, what advantages?

other than safety [tradeoff for lower power and energy density]…

i think the worst thing is, you cannot tell what their state of charge is, like ever..

wle


Eneloops are rated for over 2000 cycles. Thought lithium was less. Can keep them topped off ready to use. Lithium? Besides they are so useful for devices all around the home.
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nottawhackjob wrote:
In the case of NiMH, you get watt you pay for.

Eneloops.


…or IKEA Laddas!
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stephenk wrote:
nottawhackjob wrote:
In the case of NiMH, you get watt you pay for.

Eneloops.


…or IKEA Laddas!

I’ve never had a Ladda and hope not to. Had a Lana or two in my younger daze though. LOL

Seriously, please educate me. Are Laddas truly equivalent to a standard Eneloop?

(Or yer meaning that the other way.) Smile

“In many things in order to truly understand the small picture you have to understand the big picture first.”

True Color Rendition (TCR)/Simplified Definition: “On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the highest rating, a TCR will equate to what true colors you see in sunlight vs the same object’s colors you see when illuminated with a flashlight. The closer the two are, the higher the TCR rating will be.”

The TCR Reference Standard is the Walmart Ozark Trail OT 50L , Model No. 6103.
It has a TCR rating of ‘10’. $1.00 including batteries.

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nottawhackjob wrote:
Are Laddas truly equivalent to a standard Eneloop?

(Or yer meaning that the other way.) Smile

ChibiM, who runs the Eneloop101 site, and had the opportunity to interview Fujitsu (Eneloop parent) battery engineers, believes they are equivalent to 1st generation Eneloops:

https://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1773076#comment-1773076

I don’t know if he is still active in testing, but it will be great if AACycler is able to test a set. I would bet HKJ will do a test, but he mainly tests capacity and charging characteristics, not cycle life.

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Good to know.

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“In many things in order to truly understand the small picture you have to understand the big picture first.”

True Color Rendition (TCR)/Simplified Definition: “On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the highest rating, a TCR will equate to what true colors you see in sunlight vs the same object’s colors you see when illuminated with a flashlight. The closer the two are, the higher the TCR rating will be.”

The TCR Reference Standard is the Walmart Ozark Trail OT 50L , Model No. 6103.
It has a TCR rating of ‘10’. $1.00 including batteries.

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I have Japan made AAA laddas working perfectly since 2017. No issues. Eneloop style…

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2450mAh LADDAs are 500 cycles only for AA. Are they worth it at $2 a piece?
https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/ladda-rechargeable-battery-hr06-aa-1-2v-505...

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alins wrote:
2450mAh LADDAs are 500 cycles only for AA. Are they worth it at $2 a piece?
https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/ladda-rechargeable-battery-hr06-aa-1-2v-505...

Most definitely! They are similar to Eneloop Pros, more capacity but less cycles. However they still outlast all other NiMH batteries I’ve used.
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Just finished charging up the dark grey Ladda’s (2450mAh ones). Bought 3 packs (12 batteries) on 8-10-21. Yes, they are marked as “Made in Japan”. These all had an embossed date code of 2103. I’m taking that as March 2021. So, if this is correct, and assuming worst case…,(end of March), that is around 4 months of sitting around..actually being shipped from Japan to where ever to southern California to the IKEA store I purchased them from. Here are my findings so far. They may be about 1mm longer than the white ones. I have not measured them, but they seem to stack differently and slightly tighter than the white ones. Just an observation. After the first discharge/charge cycle in my AccuPower IQ338XL charger, set to the non changeable default discharge of 500mAh and the charge setting of 700mAh, these came in with a residual charge of 1789mAh to 1934mAh discharge out of the box and 2616mAh to 2886mAh taking some 4 hours 16 minutes to 4 hours 43 minutes to charge, with 15 to 21 milli ohms of internal resistance on the 1 cycle. I did all 12 batteries. Then after the first 12 discharge/charge cycles were accomplished, I put them all in the charger to do them 1 more time. After the 2nd discharge/charge cycle, the discharge ranged from 2462mAh to 2669mAh. They all seem to discharge over their rating of 2450mah. The charge cycle ranged from 2586mAh to 2884mAh taking some 4 hours 13 minutes to 4 hours 42 minutes to charge with 15 to 30 milli ohms of internal resistance. They seem to behave just like the white Ladda’s so far. I have quite a few of those that I have been using and testing for the last 2 years. The test AA’s AAA’s (12 of each) have shown to be above their ratings and the shelf life are still above 85% of listed capacity at 15 months of sitting on the shelf, which I believe to be fantastic. Will try to update in a year to give you’al some feelings into the low self discharge of the new style batteries.

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Confirmed to be made in Japan.

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Macgravy wrote:
Just finished charging up the dark grey Ladda’s (2450mAh ones). Bought 3 packs (12 batteries) on 8-10-21. Yes, they are marked as “Made in Japan”. These all had an embossed date code of 2103. I’m taking that as March 2021. So, if this is correct, and assuming worst case…,(end of March), that is around 4 months of sitting around..actually being shipped from Japan to where ever to southern California to the IKEA store I purchased them from. Here are my findings so far. They may be about 1mm longer than the white ones. I have not measured them, but they seem to stack differently and slightly tighter than the white ones. Just an observation. After the first discharge/charge cycle in my AccuPower IQ338XL charger, set to the non changeable default discharge of 500mAh and the charge setting of 700mAh, these came in with a residual charge of 1789mAh to 1934mAh discharge out of the box and 2616mAh to 2886mAh taking some 4 hours 16 minutes to 4 hours 43 minutes to charge, with 15 to 21 milli ohms of internal resistance on the 1 cycle. I did all 12 batteries. Then after the first 12 discharge/charge cycles were accomplished, I put them all in the charger to do them 1 more time. After the 2nd discharge/charge cycle, the discharge ranged from 2462mAh to 2669mAh. They all seem to discharge over their rating of 2450mah. The charge cycle ranged from 2586mAh to 2884mAh taking some 4 hours 13 minutes to 4 hours 42 minutes to charge with 15 to 30 milli ohms of internal resistance. They seem to behave just like the white Ladda’s so far. I have quite a few of those that I have been using and testing for the last 2 years. The test AA’s AAA’s (12 of each) have shown to be above their ratings and the shelf life are still above 85% of listed capacity at 15 months of sitting on the shelf, which I believe to be fantastic. Will try to update in a year to give you’al some feelings into the low self discharge of the new style batteries.

Just assume that they’re legit Fujitsu/Eneloop HiCaps.

Just assume that as such, you’re get between 2-3 years of life out of them before their I.R.s rise to the point that your AccuPower charger will reject them.

Just use them and abuse them.

I no longer buy HiCaps for the above mentioned reason, but in certain apps, they can be worth the scratch.

Just don’t expect 5-10 years out of them.

Just remember that chargers aren’t uniform across the board. My LaCrosse BC-700 reads about 10% higher than my Maha C9000 on NiMH and that charger is similar to your charger.

My two Opus BT-4100s read about 5-10% higher than my Maha.

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Someone should change the title of this post, the new grey Ladda’s are still MIJ. No MIC grey Laddas have been spotted.

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Fujitsu, on the other hand, currently owns the factory. This single factor is the only one capable of producing these low self-discharge nickel-metal hydride batteries, and it supplies many brands such as Amazon, Fujitsu, Panasonic, and… IKEA.

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