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Convoy S12 with IR LED,infrared 850nm when will they be available ?
Can you make me a Z1 850nm also?

“S12 IR”: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003202778007.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.1...

thx

it needs 17mm to 22mm adapter for the 17mm driver if installing the 850nm LED in Z1,
it’s better if i can find a IR LED which can bear 4.5A current

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Is there a way of removing the AR coating from the glass on my convoy s2+? I have the convoy s2+ with the 219b sw45k emitter and I noticed that when I remove the glass, the tint looks slightly better. When lighting up white objects with the glass in place they look a little green, and I suspect it has to do with the AR coating.

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Lots of previous posts on how to remove AR coatings. One of which is what Lightbringer just mentioned. I advise you to search.



Are you listening, Simon? I hope you are.


Many people dislikes anti-reflective coatings. I dislike them too. This is because the standard anti-reflective coating used for flashlight lenses is λ/4 MgF2 centered at 550nm, which being centered at 550nm, a frequency of green, boosts this frequency and those around it more than the remaining frequencies in the visible spectrum. This can be seen in the following graph chart at Edmund Optics:


 



 


In the above graph it can be clearly seen how the λ/4 MgF2 550nm curve is lowest around 550nm, and goes higher (higher reflection, or less effective) around it. Therefore, the gains of this AR-coating are unbalanced and noticeably screw up the tint and even the CRI of emitters to some extent.


What does this mean? Many customers would buy plain lenses anytime, lenses without anti-reflective coating. Customers of high-CRI lights and emitters, namely.


Hope this is of service. 

To solve this problem, I will change the blue ar-coating or the red into a green ar-coating. how do you think?

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To solve this problem, I will change the blue ar-coating or the red into a green ar-coating. how do you think?

That would be great! I’d definitely buy a bunch of those.

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Exchange red for green, if this is our only option.

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To solve this problem, I will change the blue ar-coating or the red into a green ar-coating. how do you think?
 

 

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Many people dislikes anti-reflective coatings. I dislike them too. This is because the standard anti-reflective coating used for flashlight lenses is λ/4 MgF2 centered at 550nm, which being centered at 550nm, a frequency of green, boosts this frequency and those around it more than the remaining frequencies in the visible spectrum. This can be seen in the following graph chart at Edmund Optics:

 

 

In the above graph it can be clearly seen how the λ/4 MgF2 550nm curve is lowest around 550nm, and goes higher (higher reflection, or less effective) around it. Therefore, the gains of this AR-coating are unbalanced and noticeably screw up the tint and even the CRI of emitters to some extent.

What does this mean? Many customers would buy plain lenses anytime, …

To solve this problem, I will change the blue ar-coating or the red into a green ar-coating. how do you think?

Eeeh? How about no?

Above I was speaking about the λ/4 MgF2 550nm, a coating centered in a frequency of green (in the middle of the 400-700nm visible spectrum), which is a common low cost coating. This coating gives lenses a very subtle purplish colour, this is most noticeable when a source of light is seen reflected over its surface, makes it look purple. I am right now looking at an incandescent lightbulb reflected over the lens of an S21A I have at hand, and the bulb indeed looks purplish over the lens.

People is complaining about the effects of the standard anti-reflective coating in flashlight lenses. This is because the anti-reflective coating changes the tint of the beam, raising its Duv because of somewhat more green output. We already have enough green in most production led emitters, this is not what we want.

You said “I will change the blue ar-coating or the red into a green ar-coating”, but what does this mean?

If you change the anti-reflective coating for a different one without knowing the actual effects in the beam tint, how is this going to be a solution?

Plain or uncoated lenses are a known solution. 100% sure.

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Yeah, what Barkuti said. If knowingly new AR coating will eliminate Duv raise then it’s ok to change process, otherwise plain and simple uncoated lenses are just perfect.

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Ar coatings that show green reflections will lower Duv. If that’s what Simon means, then this would be an even better solution than uncoated glass.

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Rayoui wrote:
Ar coatings that show green reflections will lower Duv…

Are you really sure about this?

If Simon wants to endorse some new product, I can understand. But from the perspective of a buyer, a new product must provide a useful, advantageous reason to be.

I could for example say that, if aiming for lenses with a double coating, one could be set at 475nm (at the cyan dip the usual blue pumped white leds have), and the other could be centered at 650nm (to boost reds). I've checked a few led spectograms around here to conclude this (1, 2, 3 and 4). This would cover the visible spectrum a lot better, while a double coating may still be affordable.

Still, plain or uncoated lenses are a sure win. They're also the cheapest ones so, how about some uncoated lenses? Wink 

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Ultra clear (low iron) glass without coating would be my preference as well.

But again, if an AR coating(s) must be used, make sure that the reflections are green and NOT red/pink/purple.

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Barkuti wrote:

Rayoui wrote:
Ar coatings that show green reflections will lower Duv…

Are you really sure about this?


If Simon wants to endorse some new product, I can understand. But from the perspective of a buyer, a new product must provide a useful, advantageous reason to be.


I could for example say that, if aiming for lenses with a double coating, one could be set at 475nm (at the cyan dip the usual blue pumped white leds have), and the other could be centered at 650nm (to boost reds). I’ve checked a few led spectograms around here to conclude this (1, 2, 3 and 4). This would cover the visible spectrum a lot better, while a double coating may still be affordable.


Still, plain or uncoated lenses are a sure win. They’re also the cheapest ones so, how about some uncoated lenses? Wink 

Yes, I’m sure. The advantage would be higher transmittance than uncoated glass and improved tint (lower Duv).

I have confirmed myself with my own examples of “green” AR coated glass that it does indeed slightly decrease Duv.

Price shouldn’t really be a concern. Simon’s current AR coated glass for the C8 is $3.94 for a set of two. I’d gladly pay a few extra cents for an improved coating. That said, clear uncoated glass would also be preferable to the currently available AR coated offerings.

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Rayoui wrote:
Ar coatings that show green reflections will lower Duv. If that's what Simon means, then this would be an even better solution than uncoated glass.

Just curious but, what type of anti-reflective coating is that which shows green reflections? Could you elaborate a bit more?

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… if an AR coating(s) must be used, make sure that the reflections are green and NOT red/pink/purple.

I guess these red/pink/purple reflections you mention are the ones I see in the glass of my S21A, and as far as I know in this regard (not a Wink lot) these must be a sign of a λ/4 MgF2 coating centered at 550nm.

Now I could say here we come back again, I opened a related thread many months ago (About lenses and anti-reflective coatings: a call for stepping up the current technology). Also found this VY Optics page on anti-reflective coatings, where about the same is discussed. But again, these (VIS 0°, VIS-EXT) nice coatings only make sense here if there's a cheap Wink way to get them.

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Ultra clear (low iron) glass without coating would be my preference as well.

Ultra clear (low iron) glass for the win! Thumbs Up 

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Barkuti wrote:
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Ar coatings that show green reflections will lower Duv. If that’s what Simon means, then this would be an even better solution than uncoated glass.
Just curious but, what type of anti-reflective coating is that which shows green reflections? Could you elaborate a bit more?

I don’t know what type of coating it is as I don’t work in the optics industry. I just know it shows green reflections.

A good example is the front glass that comes installed on the D80v2.

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Rayoui wrote:
I just know it shows green reflections.

A good example is the front glass that comes installed on the D80v2.

I agree. I don’t know if it’s visible in the picture, but IRL D80v2 has definitely lower duv than A6 with the same LED.

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Barkuti wrote:

Just curious but, what type of anti-reflective coating is that which shows green reflections? Could you elaborate a bit more?

In the graph you showed from the article you can see that UV-VIS is more effective in the blue and red range compared to green, so the reflections are going to look green, and duv will decrease.
Looking at camera lenses you can see different reflected colors from each lens, orange, cyan, green… etc from different types of coatings, combined it ends up neutral.

In order of preference (in my opinion) :

1) AR with higher red and blue transmission, reflects more green, decrease duv/improve tint, higher overall transmission than plain glass, i.e more efficient.
2) AR with close to neutral transmission, higher transmission than plain glass. (those are probably more expensive)
3) plain glass (of good quality or course, as you mentionned not with iron (green) impurities).
4) currently offered AR lenses : higher green transmission, reflect more blue and red, increase duv/degrade tint. Higher transmission than plain glass.

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Rayoui wrote:

I don’t know what type of coating it is as I don’t work in the optics industry. I just know it shows green reflections.

A good example is the front glass that comes installed on the D80v2.

Thanks. So indeed other types of coatings are being used, which after all means it is inexpensive or affordable to get a hold on them.

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Barkuti wrote:

Just curious but, what type of anti-reflective coating is that which shows green reflections? Could you elaborate a bit more?

In the graph you showed from the article you can see that UV-VIS is more effective in the blue and red range compared to green, so the reflections are going to look green, and duv will decrease. …

Useful information, thanks.

From the previously posted graph, I think VIS 0° is top choice, with comparatively better transmittance of red frequencies, excellent balance and should also lower Duv a tiny bit.

Still, can't help saying that uncoated lenses are perfectly balanced and cheap.

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Barkuti wrote:

Rayoui wrote:
Ar coatings that show green reflections will lower Duv…

Are you really sure about this?


If Simon wants to endorse some new product, I can understand. But from the perspective of a buyer, a new product must provide a useful, advantageous reason to be.


I could for example say that, if aiming for lenses with a double coating, one could be set at 475nm (at the cyan dip the usual blue pumped white leds have), and the other could be centered at 650nm (to boost reds). I’ve checked a few led spectograms around here to conclude this (1, 2, 3 and 4). This would cover the visible spectrum a lot better, while a double coating may still be affordable.


Still, plain or uncoated lenses are a sure win. They’re also the cheapest ones so, how about some uncoated lenses? Wink 

Another option is to use a completely transparent antireflection film.

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The new Osram centering ring for the L21B seems to work well:

My reflector was a bit dirty though it’s only noticeable when the light is on:

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Ooo, finally a black centering gasket. I like it.

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Another option is to use a completely transparent antireflection film.

I think you mean to say anti-reflective film. Wink 

I have done a quick search about transparent anti-reflective film and found certain information, although I'm not going to go on with it now because at this moment we certainly don't know what type of technology are you speaking about or can get a hold of.

However what I can certainly say is that if you can get some example lenses, from what I can see here in post #5463 it is clear that you can certainly test them to know if they will be liked. The goal is:

  1. Lenses or lens coating must not raise Duv; if they lower Duv a tiny bit it can be nice.
  2. Beam CRI or CRI with the lens on must be as good as it is without lens (R9 should not go down, and etc.).

 

Just in case, without any sort of testing it can be clearly understood that uncoated quality lenses meet both conditions. Innocent 

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Barkuti wrote:
d at 550nm, which being centered at 550nm, a frequency of green, boosts this frequency and those around it more than the remaining frequencies in the visible spectrum. This can be seen in the following graph chart at Edmund Optics:

 



 


In the above graph it can be clearly seen how the λ/4 MgF2curve is lowest around 550nm, and goes higher (higher reflection, or less effective) around it. Therefore, the gains of this AR-coating are unbalanced and noticeably screw up the tint and even the CRI of emitters to some extent.


What does this mean? Many customers would buy plain lenses anytime, lenses without anti-reflective coating. Customers of high-CRI lights and emitters, namely.


Hope this is of service. 


Well just a curiosity,what happen on the tint if the coating instead of violet will be Rose?
That would be interest if decrease Duv without intact CRI
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Simon, a couple of months ago you mentioned the 3×21A had a triple XHP70 in the works. Any time frame for pictures or release?

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Barkuti wrote:
d at 550nm, which being centered at 550nm, a frequency of green, boosts this frequency and those around it more than the remaining frequencies in the visible spectrum. This can be seen in the following graph chart at Edmund Optics:

 

 

In the above graph it can be clearly seen how the λ/4 MgF2

What does this mean? Many customers would buy plain lenses anytime, lenses without anti-reflective coating. Customers of high-CRI lights and emitters, namely.

Hope this is of service. 

Well just a curiosity,what happen on the tint if the coating instead of violet will be Rose? That would be interest if decrease Duv without intact CRI

 

I have a question, which is a sincere question. What is the purpose of anti-reflective coating on our flashlight lenses? Is there some kind of glare that it eliminates ? If so is it glare on what we are lighting up or from the lens itself?

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To my knowledge, it is used in order to get more light through the lens. Otherwise, some of the light would reflect back into the flashlight itself instead of going out the front. A lot of AR lenses are claimed to have ~99% transmittance. Uncoated glass is less. How much less, I’m not sure (maybe 5% less?).

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Simon, do you have a timeline for the T3? Sorry if this has already been answered.

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Simon, a couple of months ago you mentioned the 3×21A had a triple XHP70 in the works. Any time frame for pictures or release?

The point is the driver board, which is not a FET, but a constant current. As long as the driver board is completed, the rest of the work will be done quickly.
The manufacturer has done samples three times, but each time the samples are done, it turns out that it is very difficult to purchase chips. The supply of chips is extremely unstable this year.
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captainkirk wrote:
Simon, do you have a timeline for the T3? Sorry if this has already been answered.

Kirk

Available now ,but there is only 4modes currently ,the 12groups driver is still in production

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Simon Mao wrote:
captainkirk wrote:
Simon, do you have a timeline for the T3? Sorry if this has already been answered.

Kirk

Available now ,but there is only 4modes currently ,the 12groups driver is still in production

Hi Simon, T3 is still advertised as (pre sale) $999 listing. When will 4 mode T3 listing be advertised?

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Also Simon, I would appreciate your opinion on Acupuncture?

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