LEP + LED flashlight: Lumintop Thor Pro [discussion + review]

So what about when they discontinue a product before that 5 year warranty is up, and don’t have parts? Count me in for two of those experiences (to say nothing of trying to contact them or have success in explaining what is needed or why the warranty must still be honored…and then why their retailers aren’t able to do the same (as is generally expected in the Chinese manufacturing markets) even if they’re willing). I thought most of their lights reverted to two-year warranties. I’ve seen a lot of them fail (drivers, primarily…many Tools, both AA and AAA models).

Cost is certainly important and an inventory of spares is more of a hassle than many realize, but really once you have a product on the market the costs of keeping spares is fairly minimal even after the product is discontinued (within reason). The US automotive market may not be a good example, considering, but manufacturers are required to have parts available for a minimum of 10 years after last date of production. Many other types of businesses do something similar just as a matter of good business and retaining loyal customers. For a flashlight manufacturer with many models and constant changes in their offerings, it still wouldn’t take too much space or cost to keep replacements around for awhile…even in the “budget” market. If Lumintop wants to fill the “big boy britches” that they seem to and seem to be capable of, then they need to embrace the whole thing. Venturing a guess but I believe they have thought they would be the next Nitecore or Acebeam, etc, etc, and they started off in that direction and then just dropped the ball pretty severely. It’s their choice, not an obligation. For me, they’re pretty much at the point of not being an option for new purchases anymore, although I have gifted cheapies like the Tool AA, but only via Amazon where I know there will be support for direct replacement or a refund (Lumintop does so-so there and Amazon will actually back it up if Lumintop fails to honor their commitment…I’ve seen both happen). But I don’t think I’ll spend more than $20 on Lumintop anymore, nor purchase their products from BG or Ali or Neal, etc.

Anyway……sorry, not to completely derail your thread. I just don’t know if Lumintop is worth the enthusiast community’s support anymore. Moved the wrong direction in too many ways and that doesn’t appear to be changing (i.e. they really don’t care).

I remember that comment, on wurkkos TS32 prototype, to put LEP inside.

https://budgetlightforum.com/t/-/67716/94

The closest now is Olight Marauder 2, but it's still led inside.

As for me, I just bought the diffuser for my LEP

Yeah, it looks similar to the Olight Marauder 2 with the emitters round the outside and the larger light in the middle. The Marauder 2 does 14,000 lm but only 800m throw.

There’s also the Acebeam X10 with 9 LH351D LEDs around an XHP35 HI for 7000 lm and 469m throw. And of course bthe massive Acebeam X70, with 12 XHP70.2 around an XHP35 HI, producing 60,000 lm and 1115m throw.

hope it will be NO plastic lense, like Olight did. it seems to collect scrathes just after you look at it. super tender plastic in this lense .

idea is good, really interested in what it will look like

I would like to have 4* 21700 batteries like Thrunite T42 V2 and on the circumference 8 led XHP50.2 or even better XHP50.3.

That sounds like a bad design band not something I’d expect from Olight.

The Lumintop Thor 2 and 3 definitely have a glass lens. AFAIK the Thor 1 does too.

How’s the TN42 V2 to handle?

I have some 4 * 18650 and some 3 * 21700 lights but no 4 * 21700. I’d imagine the diameter of 4 * 21700 would be a bit much to hold for long periods. The extra run time is good but I doubt the cell would make much difference in turbo output: the Acebeam X50 and Imalent MS08 both power 8 XHP70.2 LEDs with 3 cells.

I actually really like 3 * 18650 but that doesn’t seem like enough for this light.

I think XHP50.2 will be an option. I. Guessing these will be 3V, so no option for warmer CCTs.

XHP50.3 would be a nice surprise. Acebeam and Imalent have announced lights with HI versions of these, with a load more throw than non-HI versions.

What would make most sense to compliment the LEP here? Something super-floody that’s the opposite of a LEP? Or something still quite throwy so the LEP looks more like a distance boost instead of a completely different light?

I think XHP50.2 would be the best option but 8 * W2 or SFT40 would be really cool too.

Would be most useful to me if the LEDs were really floody, but still had good throw. Unlikely to want to switch from long range spotlight to flood, more like spot, then search.

Dave I'm fine with TN42 V2 I give you two sizes to understand: TN42 handle diameter 570mm with 4 * 21700, EC06 diameter with 3 * 21700 540mm, Wildtrail WT90 diameter with 3 * 21700 550mm, Imalent MS08 diameter with shell and 3 * 21700 600mm. They are minimal differences even the MS08 is 30mm wider than TN42 but it grips very well ... so I prefer 4 * 21700 batteries if I have to choose.

...Sorry for the extra zero Dave I told you I was doing a job and I added one too many zero.

The problem with big glass lenses in these larger lights is one drop and the lens probably shatters.

LOL! 570mm is a bit large for a flashlight… Unless you’re talking about one like this.

But does it take a license for something like this?

This one sure is a performer. Nothing less than XHP50.x. Better yet make it XHP70.x and break some records. Is this going to have Anduril?

XHP70.2 would be awesome and put it along side the Acebeam X50, Imalent MS08 and Manker MK38 in terms of lumens. I don’t think that’s the case though but we’ll have to wait and see. My guess is that it will be more like the Astrolux EC06.

I’d be quite keen on 6 * SFT40 LEDs to give a good amount of throw.

Anduril would be great IMO but I know some people are against its complexity.

Lumintop have lots of Anduril lights but also many with Narsil or their own UI.

Lumintop have a dual channel FW4X, which uses their own UI with a separate coding mode for selecting the tint. I don’t think they’ll use that UI here, as quickly switching between LED and LEP whilst on is important.

I believe LEPs need constant current drivers (at least most LEPs don’t seem to use PWM). There aren’t many Anduril lights that use constant current drivers.

Aside from Anduril, I think an ideal UI would be:

  • Click to turn on or off
  • Hold while off for moon
  • Hold while on to change brightness
  • Double click for turbo
  • Triple click to change channels

IIRC this is what the Wurkkos HD20 does.

Interesting concept. Would prefer a more affordable 18650 LEP though.

I’m sure LEPs will keep coming down in price but they’re still a long way from being an easy decision over an aspheric like the $45 Convoy Z1.

The Lumintop Thor I is around $130 when on offer and you can get the extension tube for $8.

There’s a Richfire LEP that I reviewed and can be had for $90 with the right discount but is only about 200kcd:
RichFire LEP (SFC-039) flashlight review | almost 900 meters reach - I bet we’ll see cheaper and better ones next year.

Can LED and LEP be used at the same time?
yes, it can be used at same time.

Cells: 3 or 4
4x18650 in prototype, production should be 21700

Thanks Neal! Good to see you here.

Neal, while you’re here do you think you could reply to me about the missing item from my last order? The titanium bezel that was not included in the package with all of the lenses (used the “additional $5 shipping fee” per your instructions). It’s been many weeks and I sent a few emails to the same address we had been using, no reply. I hate to start a Paypal claim and have been very patient. Thanks.