Bort
March 1, 2022, 12:29am
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IIRC the 4680 is going to be used in their Texas factory this year.
Panasonic will be supplying Tesla elsewhere.
Tesla is also looking for batteries from LG and Samsung.
Basically they want to double or triple their car production rate in the next couple years.
BlueSwordM
(BlueSwordM)
March 1, 2022, 12:34am
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Yeah. Tesla is making their own special 4680 cells, while Panasonic is making them for anybody who asks and pays nicely
Basically, Tesla will get all the cells they can get, especially with Giga Texas, Berlin, and a 2nd Giga China probably coming online.
RobertB
(RobertB)
March 1, 2022, 12:43am
128
7 watt. You cut plywood with it in a cnc machine? Usually lasers like that have a fan attached on a module
BlueSwordM
(BlueSwordM)
March 1, 2022, 12:54am
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Yeah, and 7W would be so abominably dangerous to handle that I’m not even sure if it could pass regulations.
RobertB
(RobertB)
March 1, 2022, 1:53am
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It would be illegal as a flashlight type pointing device, but no regulation if it’s used like it was intended, like a CNC laser etch and cutting tool. Efficient High Power Diode Lasers | J Tech Photonics
BlueSwordM
(BlueSwordM)
March 14, 2022, 8:12pm
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5-10% energy density increase from moving to the new form factor(just Panasonic cells, Tesla cells are different, and have a lot more added to it to give a 50% increase in energy density which make them superior).
Hikelite
(Hikelite)
March 14, 2022, 7:49pm
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Looks good enough to have 4 of them side by side in a flashlight.
SKV89
(SKV89)
March 14, 2022, 7:53pm
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A 50% increase in energy “density”? Where did you see that? If true, this new cell can power the MS18 longer than the current battery pack.
BlueSwordM
(BlueSwordM)
March 14, 2022, 8:11pm
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@SKV89 Sorry, made a mistake.
It wasn’t 50, but 35+ if you discount battery pack optimizations:
Source: 2020-battery-day-presentation-deck
Oli
(Oli)
March 14, 2022, 9:31pm
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BlueSwordM:
That must have come from photo shop somewhere. I thought these batteries were not going to have end plates.
thijsco19
(thijsco19)
August 3, 2022, 5:07pm
136
Giving a look inside the new tesla battery pack with these big a*s cells.
manithree
(manithree)
August 4, 2022, 12:48am
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Tesla apparently celebrated the manufacture of their millionth 4680 in January , and at least one chinese manufacturer is supposed to be in mass production this year, but I can’t find anything newer than Mar 2021 on that.
Still can’t find any for sale, and I haven’t seen any flashlights to put them in yet, either.
Casemods
(Casemods)
August 4, 2022, 1:20am
138
Can anyone mock up a size comparison picture with an 18650?
manithree
(manithree)
August 4, 2022, 1:28am
139
Imagine the battery compartment of a Q8 reamed out about 1mm. But longer :smiling_imp:
Casemods
(Casemods)
August 4, 2022, 1:30am
140
What is that in k1 heads?
4×18650 would be about 44mm×65mm.
3×21700 would be about 46mm×70mm.
So a sody-pop can light meant for 21700s would be a wider barrel and a bit lest to bore out.
Ocelot
(Ocelot)
August 4, 2022, 6:18am
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JamesB:
Is this cell ever gonna be available outside tesla ? It seems it’s paired with their own technology and plan to integrate and ramp up battery production in house, and Tesla is already limited in prodcution by the amount of batteries they can buy so i don’t see them making it available to retaillers. Will Panasonic or Catl ever produce a dry electrode tabless 4680 or even a 4680 remains to be seen.
I think James has a strong point. It's fun to conjecture about flashlight applications but the reality is Tesla is scrambling to produce enough for their in house applications. They are hugely delayed in ramping up 4680 packs across their model lines, especially the ever so delayed Semi and Cybertruck. I think outside of the Tesla factory availability will be nil, which renders flashlight applications a moot point. It's fun to dream, though....
Casemods
(Casemods)
August 4, 2022, 6:20am
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Tesla should make a flashlight that plugs into their car like the umbrella in a rolls Royce
Ocelot
(Ocelot)
August 4, 2022, 6:23am
145
....a 1S2P 2x 4680 battery tube for the BLF GT 94X is my dare to dream....