Beware of the WLL Titan X75 "Laser Technology" Flashlight?

Might have to take one for the team - worst case scenario is I hate myself - or… I go, I now have the cheapest furthest throwing LEP! (you gotta admit the icing on the cake is the Rear Military Tactical Tail Cap Switch :0)
Still can’t get my head around the numbers they quote, unless as I have read some places that 10 watt lasers are only really making 4-5 watts in LEP lights - so maybe the laser (osram) they are using produces the full 10 watts. Still the 5deg vs 1.8deg angle is messing with me.
Can’t see Osram 10 Watt diodes in blue mouser

- WLLX75 Measured at 5mtr (16.40ft) – Utilising a 5deg Beam Angle =19000lux or 2840lm

- Acebeam W30 Measured at 5mtr (16.40ft) – Utilising a 1.8deg Beam Angle = 25800lux or 500lm

Well I’ll just stay happy with things like this cute baby

Seems to me they are using a 10W blue LED, they say as much on their ebay listing and probably throw in mention of LEP or laser to help sales when they shouldn’t. The beam has the appearance of being a LEP but I believe this is due to using a transmissive phosphor target which has a similar beam pattern. If only using a LED with a broader beamwidth, it probably has half the throw of a W30.

This is Laser Project, I lost my password and tried to recover using a different email address without realizing it, or remembering I had this account from 2014 first.

I'm very curious as well.. thank you for taking one for the team :)

The ebay listing warns the head cannot be opened without destroying the light, the LED hidden from external view?

If a member buys it and can somehow open it or see what is used inside, I will donate 50 dollars via PayPal for photo’s of the LED or laser, if it has one inside. If you can’t find me active here go to laserdiscourse.org to find me there as “laser project”. This offer only good for just one individual.

Yes I ordered it, I’ll try to get a looksee down the barrel. I have many throwie lights +have had many Aspheric lights - I also have a Acebeam W30, so I know what a LEP beam looks like. I’ll do a beam comparison for Youzers!

Great, if you want that 50 later after getting it and figuring it out, just PM me.

If it feels worth it to you.
I just like helping my BLF bro’s/sis’s if I can.
Wish I could have deducted the charger and batteries for a discount as I have way batteries and charger, probably will use 21700’s anyway if I can.

OK, just got it and some day time observations. it doesn’t seem to throw farther than the W30 outside against a wall at 30 meters (day time) defiantly not 2800L - but will get back at night time with comparisons.
Build quality is maybe one step up from trustfire/ultrafire/buttfire/scumfire etc.
It is a LEP, lenses are plastic.
Cooling will not be a problem as there is tones of mass/fins.
At this stage would I buy it again - NO!
Wondering if driver could be over driven then maybe it would be better.
Some quickndirtypix

That definitely is a LEP module inside though

Are you able to post beamshots, wallshots and maybe measure the lux at 10m or so?

Thanks for sharing.

Do you have any size comparison pictures? Like this one next to a W30?

Great photo’s, but due to the ebay listing specifying there was a 10 W LED inside, I’m still wondering if this is a true LEP flashlight or not. Wondering if there is a way to see without destroying it, the listing indicated it could not be opened without doing so, sadly.

Did you see the pictures in post #14?

To me that looks like 100% an LEP

I’m still questioning if this is a real LEP or not, whether a LED is pumping that phosphor instead of a laser diode. The phosphor and mirror setup could be the same as a LEP and use a tightly focused LED instead. Would that produce as tight a beam output? I don’t know.

Answer me this, why would the listing on ebay say this flashlight uses a 12 watt LED if this is a LEP flashlight? Also, why is the seller so slippery in his response when asked if this uses a laser diode inside? I smell a fisherman’s market near by but would love to be wrong.

Edit: I just looked at his listing, he changed the listing to specify the flashlight uses a 10 watt blue laser diode, before his edit, he had 12 watt LED. Might it be this seller just didn’t know the difference?

I don’t see anywhere in the listing where it refers to the use of an LED. It does make several references to the laser.

Judging from the information in the listing and the photos posted above, I don’t see any reason to believe this is not a true LEP light. The range specs in the listing do seem pretty unrealistic.

Heh, well, I just edited a line into my previous post the seller changed the listing from 12 watt LED to now specifying 10 watt laser. I have a screen save of the original listing showing what it was before, if you want to see it.

https://imageevent.com/qdf_files/laserlinks?p=375&n=1&m=–1&c=2&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=2

It was probably just a typo, since the rest of the listing makes multiple references to the use of a 10W blue laser diode.

Was there some other reason besides that one instance of “LED” that leads you to believe this product is in some way a deception?

How could writing the flashlight “uses a 12 watt white LED module” be a typo?

Also, when I contacted the seller specifically asking if it used a laser diode and not a LED as his listing also mentioned the word laser in it, he did not directly answer me, just insulted me as not being the caliber of customer who should buy his product for asking that, and referred to the unit using “LEP technology”, never answering my question yes or no, instead choosing to obfuscate with that answer?

Also, as best I know, there are no 12 watt blue lasers available for use in this product (especially at the price offered, two diodes could be combined, but not at this price) unless he is telling us the total power consumed by a 8 watt output laser diode set to a lower output which would be a misrepresentation the Chinese like to use on their ebay listings now, calling their 8 watt output lasers 20 watt, which is the power input, not output.

This is a very fishy listing, all together.

It’s about as fishy as any listing for one of those 10 million lumen flashlights that are everywhere on Ebay.

It looks to me like this is an authentic LEP light, although probably not the highest performing one you could get, and certainly not worth their asking price IMO.

Message for Glenn7, can you take a photo of the flashlight with the lens intact showing the whole head so I can see what it looks like that way, down into it from 12 inches or so distance away, instead of a close up of the phosphor and mirror block?


Rayoui, I’d expect better from a seller who isn’t in China. Also, I just noticed they specified the power consumption to be 10 watts, there are no 10 watt laser diodes which are 100% efficient, the efficiency is less than half. Sure wish we could break into the flashlight deeper and confirm what is going on with it.


From the listing: Voltage 8.4 volts, rated current 2.38 amps, power consumption 10 watts? You do the math, that doesn’t add up. Why use the word “rated” with current? Do they mean the current draw from the batteries? My math shows the power draw would then be very close to 20 watts, not 10.

The listing is full of discrepancies, if not that, misleading information which appears purposeful to me. Also, the listing indicates the phosphor is being shot through which would not normally require a mirror, yet the flashlight photo’s shows the block of a mirror inside? Another discrepancy.

See: Photo 4 of 4, Forum Pages Regarding LEP Flashlights

…………………Yes, I tore into the LIMELIGHT AUSTRALIA ebay listing hard, but from what I see, they wholly deserve to be scrutinized and fail on multiple levels; insulting a potential customer for no reason, and then being unwilling to directly answering questions regarding their product claims, and for all of the discrepancies found in their specifications which are likely purposeful marketing BS. All of this let alone changing the ebay listing from this flashlight uses a “12 watt white LED” to now show it uses a 10 watt blue laser when I called them out on labeling this product a LEP when it cannot be if using a LED to pump the phosphor.

So, what is going on here? Is this the most fake specs listing on ebay? I thought China had the corner on that market.

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you guys - and sorry for the long windedness of this post, just thought you’d like to know so as to save or spend your bux.
Yes I wrote a not so so happy feedback for the non-truth claims - they wanted me to change the feed back to positive as they say they are a small business and don’t need bad feed back - I said I could send it back for them to check if it’s faulty and that I would be happy to review the WLLX30 as well if they want.

This was my feedback for Ebay:
A lie with regards to throw, it’s not 7500 meter throw (ANSI) as stated. Build quality is average - throws not much better than an Acebeam W30 that has 2400 meter throw at 1/3 of the size, only the head diameter makes it throw slightly better. good communication and fast postage - package is ok and as it works out about the same price as most LEP torches (+ batteries and charger) but you will get a longer runtime with this light, just disappointed with it not being 7500M throw - be honest guys!

This was his reply:
Hi Glenn,
Thank you for your purchase and subsequent Feedback.

Please note that it is genuinely not our intention to mislead any one, and firmly believe that the details, as provided in the listing, are true and correct, as per the manufacturers (WLL) Specifications. In that the unit has an output of 0.25 Lux at 7500mts, which is the maximum lux that can be measured at this distance, in ideal conditions. Otherwise 1 Lux at 500mtr and an average usable distance , as you have noted of 2500mtr, with the visible eye.

We again apologise for any confusion, or inconvenience, and genuinely thought that you would receive this LEP Flashlight, and be extremely pleased with the performance. As a small business, we can not afford any Negative Feedback, and try extremely hard to satisfy all of our customers. As such we would offer that should you be willing to re structure this feedback, to one of a positive nature, we can offer you an 5% discount on your purchase, or alternatively you are more than welcome to return the unit, for a full refund, once received in original condition.

Glenn we sincerely apologise for any misunderstanding or inconvenience, and hope you accept our apology. Please advise as to whether you accept our apology and are willing to revise your feedback. If so we will send you a feedback revision request.

Best Wishes
Ross
Limelight AU

This was was my reply:

Hello Ross,

Torches are a hobby of mine and I have been buying and collecting torches for 30+ years, I have bought 100’s of cheap and expensive ones also I have bought at least 100 or more torches for collages on request.
I belong to 2 forums, Budgetlightforums and Candlepowerforums and are well aware of how light is measured in torches/flashlights, I have a light meter and understand how the measurements work.
The measurements you are quoting are ANSI (American National Standards Institute) which is the flashlight standard for measuring output/throw adopted by most reputable manufacturers.
Unless I have a faulty unit, a 10 watt LEP module can only produce 10watts of output which is the same as the Acebeam W30’s module which is 10watt and produces 450 ANSI lumens(not 2800L as you have quoted for the X75). But as the X75 has a bigger Aspheric lens and head it will throw a little further - Maybe I should have known that but based on the figures - shining the W30 and the X75 side by side, the X75 throws just a little further.
The WLLX30 light you sell says it can throw 6000 meters (which is less than the quoted X75) also the WLLX30 has a bigger head and 30Watt LEP module, so something is out in the measurements.
The X75 was pointed out to me on one of the forums so I took one for the team to see how good they are. Thousands of people read those forums, more read them than join them for information about what lights they want to buy, LEP thrower lights are really popular right now.
As I hate lies (sorry if I accused you of lying, Ross) I tell the truth to my best ability and my word is my word.
I could send it back and you could test it if you want?
I’d love to test the X30 and if it was a winner I would do a review on the 2 forums for you and that would boost your sales 10 fold.
Again sorry if I called you a liar, but if you quote figures and they turn out to be wrong, it won’t help your business. I have found that over the years most Chinese manufacturers lie to sell more.

Glenn.

His reply again:
Hi Glenn,
Thank you for your reply and for your honest insight.

We again apologise for any inconvenience, and would like to point out that while this unit is made in China, we are not of Chinese Nationality, nor do we believe ourselves to be liars. We have been running our Store for over Ten years, to date, and have taken pride in our Nearly Perfect Rating, which has been maintained with hard work. We have to apologise, but we find it quite disheartening that you could leave such feedback, which has in one foul swoop destroyed our rating, and ruined our Ebay Plus Seller Status.

Again we have only passed on the figures, as per the Manufacturers Specifications. We also still understand that the 0.25 Lux at 7500mtr is achievable, and feasible with this Unit. However upon your recommendations will change several aspects of the listing to reflect and reinforce the above. As you mentioned earlier that you would take some Images, if this is still on offer we would dearly love to see them.

In relation to the 30W Unit, this has a 120mm Head and Lens, and a Beam Angle up to 10 degrees, as such, and compared to the X75, this unit throws a wider spread pattern, however dissipates over the distance, to provide an average usable distance of up to 3000mtr. We also apologise that unfortunately, and given the cost of these units, that while we would trust you with the unit, it is not financially, nor logistically viable to loan any of the Units out.

Again we apologise for any misunderstanding, and will never the less send you a feed back revision request, in the hope that you empathise with our position, and have it in your heart to modify your feedback, to one of a Positive nature with your honest observations included. Please don’t call ourselves liars.

Kind Regards
Ross
Limelight AU

I paid enough for this light so I’m not risking disassembly to end up with a non working light.
I tried to get Lux readings at 10 and 15 meters but the problem is the head is so large that the beam won’t culminate at that short distance, so yes I will have to try at a longer distance - cold and raining/snow here so when I get a chance I will.
When I shine the beam up into the sky it does look like it throws further - also it’s smaller tighter whiter beam compared to the W30 that is yellow-ish and the W30 is suppose to be the lower cri version (6500k) think the X75 is 7500k.
I used my best batteries, GOLISI 26650 - their batteries and some Sony VTC 18650 unprotected batteries - all outputs look the same to me as I assume it’s regulated.

The beam shots are at 10 meters down the hall, and close up at .5 meter - X75 is on the left.