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Lixivium wrote:
Regarding the deep red emitter driver, will the 12 groups driver offer superior performance or simply more output options than the five groups driver?

Just more options

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tactical_grizzly wrote:
Lixivium wrote:
Regarding the deep red emitter driver, will the 12 groups driver offer superior performance or simply more output options than the five groups driver?

Should be just more output level options. The driver hardware is likely identical. Just like how Simon’s linear drivers are available with 2 different firmwares (4-mode and 12-group) but are physically identical.

Since 12 groups require chips with higher precision, the cost is also higher, and the output current of moonlight is lower than that of ordinary 12 groups.

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Whoa, I just noticed on the Convoy Ali store that there is a new model! Convoy S3
Never even announced it?
I really like the knurling on it.

Is there anything else differentiating it from the S2+?

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CRC2 wrote:
Whoa, I just noticed on the Convoy Ali store that there is a new model! Convoy S3
Never even announced it?
I really like the knurling on it.

Is there anything else differentiating it from the S2+?

The S3 has been around for years. Lots of reviews here on the differences.

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manithree wrote:
CRC2 wrote:
Whoa, I just noticed on the Convoy Ali store that there is a new model! Convoy S3
Never even announced it?
I really like the knurling on it.

Is there anything else differentiating it from the S2+?

The S3 has been around for years. Lot’s of reviews here on the differences.

Hm, oh… lol
I hadnt seen it before. Its at the top of the homepage under “new arrive” with only 11 sales and no reviews.

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Please make a MAO M21B GT-FC40 Ughh Ughh Ughh

MAO M21B… very much this!
S21D would be awesome as well, in any other finish too lol

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Simon Mao wrote:
tactical_grizzly wrote:
Lixivium wrote:
Regarding the deep red emitter driver, will the 12 groups driver offer superior performance or simply more output options than the five groups driver?

Should be just more output level options. The driver hardware is likely identical. Just like how Simon’s linear drivers are available with 2 different firmwares (4-mode and 12-group) but are physically identical.

Since 12 groups require chips with higher precision, the cost is also higher, and the output current of moonlight is lower than that of ordinary 12 groups.

Will you be selling lights with this driver installed in your store as well? I’m thinking about an S2+ and maybe an M1.

Thanks for all the good things you make for us.

Kirk

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CRC2 wrote:
manithree wrote:
CRC2 wrote:
Whoa, I just noticed on the Convoy Ali store that there is a new model! Convoy S3
Never even announced it?
I really like the knurling on it.

Is there anything else differentiating it from the S2+?

The S3 has been around for years. Lot’s of reviews here on the differences.

Hm, oh… lol
I hadnt seen it before. Its at the top of the homepage under “new arrive” with only 11 sales and no reviews.


Sometimes Simon gives lights separate listings for specific options and this shows up as a new product. For example, the M3-C is not a new model but it showed up under new products recently when a new listing was created that included a 26800 tube extension and 26800 battery.

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I like the way that the S3 looks, but I prefer the S2 because it has a deeper reflector and throws further.  :THUMBS-UP:

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Simon,
What is the output for the 519A?

Max flux (@3000mA):

219B 500LM ~ 219C / SST20 4000K 3000K 650LM ~ LH351D 800LM ~ SST20 6500K / 5000K 1000LM
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CRC2 wrote:
manithree wrote:
CRC2 wrote:
Whoa, I just noticed on the Convoy Ali store that there is a new model! Convoy S3
Never even announced it?
I really like the knurling on it.

Is there anything else differentiating it from the S2+?

The S3 has been around for years. Lot’s of reviews here on the differences.

Hm, oh… lol
I hadnt seen it before. Its at the top of the homepage under “new arrive” with only 11 sales and no reviews.

Yeah, oldie and still a goodie. It’s just a smidge shorter than the S2+ (like 3-4mm iirc) and the reflector is shallower. Steel bezel ring screws into the head…nice touch like on many other lights. I like that squared checkering compared to the usual 30° diamond knurl. Maybe not as grippy, but gives enough grip and feels really nice.

Here’s the search results for S3 in his store…if that shows up for you (.com vs .ca in aliworld): https://convoy.aliexpress.com/store/1100591265/search?spm=a2g0o.store_pc...

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Correllux wrote:
CRC2 wrote:
manithree wrote:
CRC2 wrote:
Whoa, I just noticed on the Convoy Ali store that there is a new model! Convoy S3
Never even announced it?
I really like the knurling on it.

Is there anything else differentiating it from the S2+?

The S3 has been around for years. Lot’s of reviews here on the differences.

Hm, oh… lol
I hadnt seen it before. Its at the top of the homepage under “new arrive” with only 11 sales and no reviews.

Yeah, oldie and still a goodie. It’s just a smidge shorter than the S2+ (like 3-4mm iirc) and the reflector is shallower. Steel bezel ring screws into the head…nice touch like on many other lights. I like that squared checkering compared to the usual 30° diamond knurl. Maybe not as grippy, but gives enough grip and feels really nice.

Here’s the search results for S3 in his store…if that shows up for you (.com vs .ca in aliworld): https://convoy.aliexpress.com/store/1100591265/search?spm=a2g0o.store_pc...


S2+ and S3 actually share the reflector. You were probably thinking about S2, which has deeper one.
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Haukkeli wrote:
S2+ and S3 actually share the reflector. You were probably thinking about S2, which has deeper one.

Yes. I will never ever stop doing that, confusing the two. lol. I even did it recently when asking Simon to include a spare pill in an order. Smile D’oh!

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BlueSwordM wrote:
@Correllux, more durable than normal type III hard anodizing, and the coating is much thicker.

Doing some reading about this the last couple evenings…certainly gets a lot of praise and the process(es) are interesting. Definitely will pick one or a few of these up when he releases them in other models, looking forward to it!

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captainkirk wrote:
Simon Mao wrote:
tactical_grizzly wrote:
Lixivium wrote:
Regarding the deep red emitter driver, will the 12 groups driver offer superior performance or simply more output options than the five groups driver?

Should be just more output level options. The driver hardware is likely identical. Just like how Simon’s linear drivers are available with 2 different firmwares (4-mode and 12-group) but are physically identical.

Since 12 groups require chips with higher precision, the cost is also higher, and the output current of moonlight is lower than that of ordinary 12 groups.

Will you be selling lights with this driver installed in your store as well? I’m thinking about an S2+ and maybe an M1.

Thanks for all the good things you make for us.

Kirk

i will update the link

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timbo114 wrote:
Simon,
What is the output for the 519A?

Max flux (@3000mA):

219B 500LM ~ 219C / SST20 4000K 3000K 650LM ~ LH351D 800LM ~ SST20 6500K / 5000K 1000LM

887LM ,test from djozz

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CRC2 wrote:
Whoa, I just noticed on the Convoy Ali store that there is a new model! Convoy S3
Never even announced it?
I really like the knurling on it.

Is there anything else differentiating it from the S2+?

i had S4 S5 S7 before, they have the same deep reflector as S2

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S21D with 12A FET driver on sale now
S21D
S21D with battery

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Simon Mao wrote:
S21D with 12A FET driver on sale now S21D S21D with battery

Is it possible to buy the TIR lenses and the driver separately?

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Correllux wrote:
CRC2 wrote:
manithree wrote:
CRC2 wrote:
Whoa, I just noticed on the Convoy Ali store that there is a new model! Convoy S3
Never even announced it?
I really like the knurling on it.

Is there anything else differentiating it from the S2+?

The S3 has been around for years. Lot’s of reviews here on the differences.

Hm, oh… lol
I hadnt seen it before. Its at the top of the homepage under “new arrive” with only 11 sales and no reviews.

Yeah, oldie and still a goodie. It’s just a smidge shorter than the S2+ (like 3-4mm iirc) and the reflector is shallower. Steel bezel ring screws into the head…nice touch like on many other lights. I like that squared checkering compared to the usual 30° diamond knurl. Maybe not as grippy, but gives enough grip and feels really nice.

Here’s the search results for S3 in his store…if that shows up for you (.com vs .ca in aliworld): https://convoy.aliexpress.com/store/1100591265/search?spm=a2g0o.store_pc...

I keep seeing praise for the S21B over the S21A because of the integrated shelf, but there’s not much mention of the S3 over the S2+ for the same reason. The S3 also has very few orders compared to the S2+. Seems like not many people even know that the S3 exists. Is it time to recommend the S3 over the S2+?

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Simon Mao wrote:
S21D with 12A FET driver on sale now S21D S21D with battery

Can we get beamshots of the different optics?

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Azirine wrote:
I keep seeing praise for the S21B over the S21A because of the integrated shelf, but there’s not much mention of the S3 over the S2+ for the same reason. The S3 also has very few orders compared to the S2+. Seems like not many people even know that the S3 exists. Is it time to recommend the S3 over the S2+?

For me, the reason I didn’t order a S3 over the S2+ was due to the lack of 18350 tube, and other colors, but I actually prefer the knurling on the S3 and the SS bezel is much easier to get to the emitter as well.

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@Simon, any idea when the SFT40 5000-5700K and the new 17mm 6V boost driver will be available?

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I also like S3 more. To my eye it seems to have even little bit better quality than S2+. Sad there’s only two colors available.

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Haukkeli wrote:
I also like S3 more. To my eye it seems to have even little bit better quality than S2+. Sad there’s only two colors available.

I wonder why it hasn’t replaced the S2+, isn’t a shelf design much better than a pill ? Better thermal conduction to the body, lighter, no brass pill to manufacture (lower cost ?), and with only one retaining ring (no pill retaining ring) there would be no need for reduced driver diameter, so it could be 21mm instead of 17mm, which would simplify greatly the development of a boost driver. Unfortunately it’s still reduced on the S3 (17mm).

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thefreeman wrote:
Haukkeli wrote:
I also like S3 more. To my eye it seems to have even little bit better quality than S2+. Sad there’s only two colors available.

I wonder why it hasn’t replaced the S2+, isn’t a shelf design much better than a pill ? Better thermal conduction to the body, lighter, no brass pill to manufacture (lower cost ?), and with only one retaining ring (no pill retaining ring) there would be no need for reduced driver diameter, so it could be 21mm instead of 17mm, which would simplify greatly the development of a boost driver. Unfortunately it’s still reduced on the S3 (17mm).

The S2+/S21A is nicer to mod due to the pill design which can be screwed in a bit more or less when you modify the reflector

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thefreeman wrote:
Haukkeli wrote:
I also like S3 more. To my eye it seems to have even little bit better quality than S2+. Sad there’s only two colors available.

I wonder why it hasn’t replaced the S2+, isn’t a shelf design much better than a pill ? Better thermal conduction to the body, lighter, no brass pill to manufacture (lower cost ?), and with only one retaining ring (no pill retaining ring) there would be no need for reduced driver diameter, so it could be 21mm instead of 17mm, which would simplify greatly the development of a boost driver. Unfortunately it’s still reduced on the S3 (17mm).


It also makes trying different leds and optics easier. S21B has 22mm driver, when S21A has 20mm. At least in that model you can see the benefits of that construction.
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The S2+/S21A is nicer to mod due to the pill design which can be screwed in a bit more or less when you modify the reflector

I hadn’t thought of that, but is it the only advantage ? Adjustment could still be done with thicker lens, thicker MCPCB or spacer.

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Yeah, pill makes fine tuning easier, I have to admit.

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thefreeman wrote:
LunaLoves wrote:

The S2+/S21A is nicer to mod due to the pill design which can be screwed in a bit more or less when you modify the reflector

I hadn’t thought of that, but is it the only advantage ? Adjustment could still be done with thicker lens, thicker MCPCB or spacer.

yeah but making mm-correct spacers is a chore
also personally I dislike soldering through the reflector opening as opposed to on a pill in the open

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