A bicycle light by Sofirn

Lot of good ideas here. The throw vs flood is a tough balance because every rider is different. Myself, I prefer a floody light on the bars and a throwy one on my helmet (if trail riding). I would be very comfortable with a beam like the SP31Pro on either bars or helmet for road and paved pathways.

I know there is a big push towards absolute highest possible lumen output these days but I’ll tell you it isn’t necessary. Back when halogens were just being eclipsed by LED I rode a LOT of night miles with just a Fenix L1Tv2 on my helmet. My buddy used to ride trails with a PT EOS. No reason to suffer through that anymore, but a couple thousand lumens is PLENTY- remember most automtive headlight bulbs are rated around 1000-1500 lumens. You can see my profile picture of a Cateye Triple Shot bike light which I replaced the original Lux3 emitters with SSC P4 and upgraded from the frosted TIR to some khoated reflectors. It was AMAZING for tral riding compared to what everyone else was rocking back then! Honestly, I wouldn’t feel under-lighted with it these days, either.

I think Lumintop did a good job with their B01. It projects a well shaped beam for road and path riding. CCT is great. UI is a little wonky and output isn’t record setting. But its very functional.

Plenty of mounts off-the-shelf for the Sofirn SP36 series, just needs remote low/high beam switch and StVZO lens - done. The stage clamp quick-lock also holds up pretty well on my Stonker product. Shop Stonker eScooter Headlight Series by eScootNow

Not sure if the two ideas below are relevant, but I'd thought I'd throw them out just in case they are of interest.

  1. Advanced bicycle lights sometimes have sculpted beams, rather than the usual circular beams you get with regular flashlights. For a bicycle light that is level, a shaped beam typically sends it's beam straight ahead and down, with little or no part of the beam rising above the light. That helps to keep light out of peoples eyes.
  2. Good bicycle lights also have side "windows" that send some light out perpendicular to the direction of travel. Side light is a "be seen" feature. It allows folks to see you, even when you are not riding towards them.

[Edit:] Number 1 is addressed by the StVZO standards cited above: "StVZO LEDs are bike lights that comply with the safety standards developed by the German government. These lights feature a special lens that provides a floodlight that's leveled off so as not to intrude with oncoming traffic."

Source: https://ride.lezyne.com/collections/led-lights-stvzo

Thanks a lot. SP36 is my favorite light and I also looking for decent bike mount for it for long time.

Cheers, all the brackets I have on the “”Stonker product page”:https://escootnow.com.au/products/Stonker-Headlight-Series-by-eScootNow-p372579529” are sourced from Aliexpress. I have a pretty extensive holding of bolts, nuts, washers and T-gaskets depending on the mount and where the headlight is to be mounted. More details on the brackets are on the linked bracket product page. I’ve tried not to yabber on too much on the product page, but there are some additional application considerations amongst the various brackets. The type A bracket requires a bit of cloth tape (or similar) over the bar to make it’s positioning more firm and the thick rubber on the mount around the bar provides ability for the rider to adjust the mount as required without tooling. The type G bracket for example has no rubber, and is totally fixed. I prefer A as sometimes on open road riding with minimal oncoming traffic I like it facing up, but ideally StVZO lens would negate that requirement.

Thanks for explanation. Can you give to us more information about your bike light project https://escootnow.com.au/products/Stonker-eScooter-Fixed-Headlight-Series-by-eScootNow-p466806813

It is very cheap compared to Magicshine 8000. Also what are there specs of “XML-T6” and 8000 lumens? Here in BLF we associated XML-T6 with cheap chinese Cree fake leds.

I am still validating the specs of the fixed headlight series. The factory has advised the 8000 lumen offerings actually have 3 x XHP50 flood
2 x XP-L wide. The wide may be warmer. Yet to receive the protypes.

Thanks :slight_smile: . I really want to see future updates of that your bike light project.

I’ll be testing out my Sofirn IF25a this coming year.
I ride mostly road and gravel trails.


I think the “Bike Flash” mode present in Convoy lights will be a good feature to have for any bike light. It is really useful for grabbing attention on the road and also helps with runtimes and heat management.

Absolutely. I have dedicated flashers and bike specific lights but I wanted to test out this one and my S2+ as a bar light.

Something similar to Lumintop B01’s form factor (looks like regular cylindrical flashlight) and beamshot (good cut off), but on steroids.
Brighter Turbo and higher sustained output, constant current driver, 3000-4000K CCT, Sofirn’s own UI.

My 2 cents.

Problem with IF25A is that it have low sustained output for MTB but I think for road it will be ok. Now I collect several bike lights. New one Astrolux BL06 it is interesting. So far my self containing favorite bike light still my old Fenix BC30. This year I also bought Magicshine RN3000. It is very powerful but lack in output stabilization. Output go lower with batteries go low. RN3000 have very good fast charge with PD of about 24W and power bank function of about 18W. Old Fenix have better LED driver compared to RN3000. By the way Fenix made great bike lights. But in 2022 they remain a little weak with only about 1200 lumens compared to another brands. Also Fenix have best bike mount system for me.

Specifications have been ratified, final product was 5000 lumens rather than 8000 lumens - probably too much heat generated at the higher end.

I find there is a lot of energy lost from heat when pushing 2000+ lumens out of the 3 white emitters.

What are the final LED emitters used? What about XHP70.3 HI or XPH70.2. Thats are most effective emitters on market which generate less heat. Most important it is to have better cooling on LED for higher sustained output. I have friend which own Monteer 8000 which is similar to your light design. But 8000 lumens are just for “WOW” effect. If your light have efiicient driver and good thermal case design I thinks it is possible to be better product compared to 8000. Can you tell us more about manufacturer of this light. It is very similar on package to Astrolux BL02, BL03, BL06. Also I saw that mount is the same as Astrolux lights.

I’d also suggest to create a light with cut-off beam by using CAD-aided reflector or lens optics.
With a bright taillight you know the direction of a bike.
But the use of standard plugs like USB-C instead of proprietary cables.

New to BLF and to this thread, wondering if this project is still alive, but nevertheless, would like to add my view on the topic, because I’ve been a relatively budget aware bicycle lights enthusiast for years, having bicycle lights on basically at all times for my own and others safety and also to see in the dark whether it’s riding on country roads or off-roading on trails.

My thesis is that bicycle lights should cover pretty much the same basics as standard, road legal motor vehicle lights, only smaller in size and lighter in weight. What I mean with the lights basics is that there needs to be different functions and different kind of beams of the light for different occasions, not just one beam with various levels of brightness. Constant flashing let alone different colors than white (which can be of different color temperatures, make no mistake) are a total no-no. Rear lights are not that much of an issue, they just need to be steady and bright enough to show your location, which is easily achieved because red LEDs show very well even at very low sub 1 Watt power levels, a little brighter brake light with motion sensor is ok too, but rear lights are really not a problem anymore, you can buy them from supermarkets, they cost next to nothing and you’re fine with them. Other lights, like extra safety lights visible from the side are not necessary at all, orange or white retro reflecting ‘cat-eyes’ cover that need for visibility in darkness more than well, active safety from passive technology, so to say.

First and what is probably needed the most in running hours would be a daylight running light, it has only one requirement, to be bright enough in daylight to be visible to others, something like 100-200lumens of omni-directional flood light, not too much dazzling, but bright enough to be seen from reasonable distance in daylight. The daylight running light should probably have two or three different brightness levels, that could be automatically switching via sensor due to ambient brightness, less brightness in dull, grey day and more brightness for the bright sunny day and optionally an extra low brightness mode for the dusk, where you still don’t need light to see where you’re going, but ambient lighting getting lower the less brightness is needed to be seen by others. Possibility to manually flash the daylight running light at higher brightness to gain momentary extra attention would be desirable, but not necessary, if the light has high-beam mode that can used for that.

Second, there needs to be low-beam, often referred to as StVZO, cut-off beam etc. Anybody with a driver’s license and motor vehicle driving experience knows the concept of low-beam, it’s a light beam that is optically suppressed from emitting too much light above certain horizontal line to save oncoming traffic from getting dazzled to provide safety in traffic. Unfortunately the LEDs got very bright in very short period of time and they were applied to cheap bicycle lights willy nilly without thinking, that bright LEDs with small surface area are very much dazzling to others even at low levels of sub 100 lumens or so, let alone several hundreds of 1000+. This has been fortunately solved partially by German and French legislators that have not been sleeping on it (Netherlands has some legislation also, maybe elsewhere too, but not globally yet) and have created standards that take the beam shape into account for bicycle lights above certain levels of brightness, which is why we bicycle light enthusiasts have even a possibility to be responsible and not dazzle the others by choice.

Third, there needs to be adequate high-beam equivalent light mode too and preferably not only one kind of beam, but at least two. Bicycle riding in darkness requires high-beam option like any other riding or driving to be able to see properly as needed. The high brightness is less of a requirement, than the optics to direct the beams in useful ways specific for bike riding. On road bike you may ride on empty roads at relatively high speeds, which means that you need to see a realitvely long distance ahead of you to be able to detect the road and any possible obstacles or changes in the road so that you have time to react in order to dodge, slow down or even stop, hence you need more or less of a spot light beam not extreme and preferably not fully round circular, but somewhat oval, that can show a little bit of the sides, while shedding the light straight ahead with a decent throw. But there are other use cases for high-beam equivalent bicycle headlight too, those cases you’re riding slower on poorer roads, gravel, trails, cross country even, you want to see well, but you don’t need so much throw, though some is okay, as you need to see your surroundings and be able to detect winding corners, steep ups and downs at short distance. Hence you need something like an ovalesque mix of semi-spot and semi-flood for that. This feature would be cool, if the light had a speed sensor similar to a bike computer for example that would enable automatic change of beam type according to the speed, so when riding fast the light would dim the semi-flood and brighten the spot and again when going slower the spot would dim and semi-flood would be brightened. High beam should also have a manual flashing made easy so that you could flash them as needed for extra attention, just like you would driving a car.

Other things to be taken into account. External batteries are a must, they enable scaling the amount of watt hours you might need for your rides. 12V system is preferable aka 3 in series (3S) lithium-ion battery packs, 3 cell, 6 cell, 9 cell, even 12 cell for longer rides at night. Higher voltage is generally better, because it means less amps, hence puts less strain on the components. It’s also better to use more LEDs and pump out insane lumens out of them to save the light from the heat, I think 50% of the LEDs maximum lumens is quite enough, despite it increases the amount of LEDs needed to get higher brightness, but like said, huge brightness is not as important as proper optical direction of the beam. I would say for daylight running light 100-200lumens of omni-directional, hemispherical beam is more than enough and for that there can be as many LEDs as needed, from top of my head I’d say 10 fairly low power LEDs would be quite ok. For low beam, adequate amount of lumens would be something like 400-600lm with for example 100lm per LED or so 4-6 LEDs in total, small in size and precise in beam, beam optimally optically directed so that the light is where the cyclist needs it the most, on the road, mostly forward straight ahead, fading smoothly to the sides to cover adequate width of any regular roads while catching the sides and corners within a reasonable distance, whihc doens’'t have to be too far. For high-beam there could something like 2000-400 lumens, that could be manually adjustable within range from 500lm to 4000lm, so that if you don’t need that much light, you could ave some battery, and if you need all the brightness there is to put out, you could blast it on as you wish.

All in all, bicycle lights are a special kind of vehicles lights, they should conform to any legal vehicle lighting concepts, but with the great difference that they need to be reasonably light in weight, including the light unit and its power source. There’s a challenge to meet indeed, but I’m sure it’s not impossible to achieve, though it may require taking shortcuts on the way and not all goals are achievable in their full glory, yet the concept and goal must be ambitious and not dilute it with too many compromises to make the end product seem like it was designed by commission.

Lights that I wish people would study as examples of interesting implementations of vehicle lighting concepts in bicycle world are: Supernova M99 series, the Pro versions aka ones with low-beam, high-beam functionality. Supernova is the leading manufacturer in implementing the low-beam and high-beam in their lights. Other interesting ones are B+M IQ-XL, also a low-beam, high-beam light made for e-bikes, but if you know how, you can make them work with an external battery without an e-bike as well, not a problem. There’s also Herrmans Nordic Extreme 12V e-bike light that has low-beam, high-beam functionality. Other lights of interest, which unfortunately lack the low-beam, but have interesting concepts neverthless are K-Lite Ultra, a dynamo powered high brightness “adventure light”. There are also a plenty of cut-off beam lights be it battery, e-bike or dynamo powered that have no high-beam and equally great numbers of off-road lights, basically all a little higher brightness, say ~500lm or more can be counted in, that can serve well in darkness but are totally a nuisance to others in any oncoming traffic.

Links:

  • Supernova’s high-end battery operated bicycle light: M99 Mini Pro B54
  • Supernova has also similar dynamo operated M99 version: M99 DY Pro
  • Busch+Muller’s giant low-/high-beam e-bike model: IQ-XL High Beam
  • Herrmans only model with high beam that I know of: Nordic Xtreme
  • k-Lite dynamo light without low-beam, but interesting: k-Lite Ultra v2
  • Crown funding started maker of interesting bicycle lights: Outbound
  • Compact high power lights with interchangeable optics: Gloworm
  • Sigma’s 2000lm off-road classic w/ quality optics: Buster HL2000
  • My favorite basic cut-off beam dynamo light: Herrmans MR-8

Of these examples what I would like to see as a BLF cost effective competitor and equivalent in functionality would definitely be Supernova M99 B54 Pro, it has almost all I can hope for, compact light unit, low-beam high-beam with wired remote switch, 12V aka 3S battery, different brightness modes to choose from. What I don’t like about Supernova M99 B54 Mini Pro is price, obviously, though it’s justifiable, because Supernova’s build quality is pretty high in the world of bicycle lights and guarantees are long for a reason, they do trust their product, but the price is a bit hefty for a bike light nevertheless. Another thing is their matrix optics, which is far from perfect.

I have myself M99 Mini Pro 25, an e-bike version with external 12V voltage regulated custom battery on a normal bike and despite I adore the low-beam high-beam functionality, the beam is a bit too wide, lacking central bias and due to the matrix reflector there’s a kind of a checkered pattern in the projected beam which is disturbing to the eye when riding in darkness. Another annoying thing, common to all above listed high-beam capable lights is, that they work a little different from motor vehicle lights in a sense that low-beam is constantly on, aka when you switch to the high-beam, the low beam stays on lighting the foreground too much and the high beam seems weak on top of that, but will of course shed light a bit further, only that the difference to the low-beam isn’t that big because of too much light in the foreground. One thing that I would like to see different in the implementation of the high-beam is that the low beam would be turned off and the high beam would be double or triple the lumens of low-beam to make real difference.

If there are any other who done their home work about bike lights and probably road legal vehicle lights in general, please feel free to have some input. Or if you’re someone who hasn’t studied bicycle or vehicle lights in general, but are curious and interested in lighting bicycles, please help yourself and study these examples listed above, of lights that represent somewhat the leading edge of the bicycle lighting today. There are others too, some similar, some more expensive, some higher brightness, some more exclusive etc. etc. I just didn’t want to make too long of a list for starters, just focus on the main concept that I think bicycle lights should be made conform to.

TL;DR? Guess my motto for bicycle lights would probably be something like:
“A proper bicycle light has exactly the same requirements as any other road legal vehicle lights, only in flashlight equivalent scale, if not even lighter in weight.”

EDIT: Forgot to add that a dynamo hub powered backup low-beam functionality would be useful if not even mandatory for those times that the batteries simply run out of charge and you’re in the middle of nowhere in pitch black darkness in desperate need to find your way. Dynamo hub could and probably should be also power source for the daylight running light, so you’ll save max. battery runtime for actual need for the dark hours. Dynamo hub should be always used in conjunction with the battery operated lights, just because the dynamo power never runs out of charge, where again batteries can offer higher power normally for seeing in the dark, hence they cannot be held mutually exclusive in anyways. Dynamo hub can even be used to charge the batteries in the worst case scenario, if there are no other sources available during the day.

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I would be very interested in a bicycle light from Sofirn. Just wondering if anyone else would be as well. Give what I have seen so far in regards to their price to performance ratio you can’t go wrong.

Agree, I have only one decent flashlight yet, Sofirn SP36 BLF, 5650lm and I like it very much. Sofirn seems to be very decent maker and would easily compete with Magischine and likes, especially in off-road bike lights category.

My wishlist would include:
Powered by a 21700 cell. Although the ability to also use 18650’s with a spacer would be fantastic.
Anduril of course
A couple options in the way of color temp
Floody with throw
The mount would need to be robust with very good adjustability
Waterproof/Shockproof

Please feel free to add to the list.

If we’re talking about serious bike lights, there needs to be an external battery pack version, which could exist alongside with an integral battery model. Problems with integral batteries is the weight, you can’t have that much battery capacity on handlebar with a simple clamp mount, it’s not convenient nor safe, hence external battery pack is always a better choice. External battery pack allows also scaling the watt/amp hours to your need by having a pack with number of cells you need.

Anduril is not very good UI for a bicycle light, simply too much options managed via a single button. Bicycle light needs pretty straightforward, carefully chosen and limited number of actions and even then a wired remote control button is more than desirable so you can operate the light with your hands on the handlebar at all times preferably. Of course more than one button would be perfect, one for each main category of use, two buttons for setting brightness up and down, not just rotate one direction, flashing mode selection perhaps also ideally two buttons, special modes selection also with two buttons. And there could be one button simply for manual signalling, press and and it will flash the light three times or press contantly, it will keep flashing until you release.

Color temperature should be able to choose from at least warm ~3000K, neutral ~4000K and perhaps cool ~5000K, personally would prefer warmer, because red wave lengths have better penetration at lower lumnes, whereas neutral or cool will seem bright, but will not show any better. CRI should preferably be relatively high, above 80 at least.

The beam, if we talk about an off-road light, should have different levels of depths that it can handle and most important, the beam must be more or less ovalesque, something like 2:1 ratio would be good, say ~30° wide and ~15° tall with a decent hot spot in the center and nice smooth fade out to dim on the edges.

Personally I think there should be a light, that has two off-road lamps, one with semi-flood to to semi-spot optics and another with semi-spot to spot optics and there should be also a third light for motor vehicles low-beam equivalent cut-off beam to have light that is road legal everywhere.

Mount has to be good indeed in correlation to the light unit weight, where external batteries come in handy, because the handlebar which is the natural mounting point for the light, shouldn’t be burdened with heavy batteries, but a light weight light unit only and the batteries are better mounted on the frame, either the top tube or the diagonal down tube. Battery pack could be two parted, where there would be the batteries and a holster that would enable rapid mounting and removing of the actual batteries from the bike, while the holster remains on the bike.

Weather, water and shock proofing are absolutely mandatory, that’s given, but with weight kept in mind, meaning that the light can’t weigh any more than absolutely necessary to be shock resistant and be able to dissipate the heat from LEDs at higher brightnesses.

The list of ideas would go on and on and I’ve written down most of mine in my previous reply, but felt need to address the original post directly too.

Main aspects to take into account when thinking of designing a bicycle light are:

  • Power source and its specs, Li-Ion batteries are a non-brainer, voltage, 3,7V or 1S is low and needs amperage, 7,5V or 2S is commonly used, but I’d think 11.1V or 3S would be better, even 16V or 4S if applicable, the higher voltage, the lower the amperage which puts less strain on the components. Dynamo hub is a great power source, never runs out of charge and lights can be engineered to pump out a good deal of lumens out of dynamos with LEDs. Batteries provide plenty of power for use at once, dynamo provides more limited amount of power, but lasts as long as the front hub keeps rolling. Clever use of both battery and dynamo for powering the lights would be the best solution.
  • Optics and it’s use cases, cut-off or low-beam for the traffic among other goers and lighted areas, usable also as daylight running light. Different levels of oval off-road beams separately and overlapping each other some, either always on at the same time or even usable separately for different occasions.
  • Weight and it’s distribution, integrated batteries are fine for small urban lights that you can mount and dismount as needed, but you can’t have a lot batteries mounted on your handlebar, so if you need more for higher brightness lights you need external battery packs for that, which will allow a separate light unit that will weight not that much on the handlebar, while the frame can carry the battery weight.
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Lupine Lighting is the competitor of Supernova, like AMD/Intel or Apple/Huawei.
https://www.lupine.de/products/bike-lights/road-bike-lights

Other manufacturers of high-beam bicycle lights are:
https://www.cube.eu/de-de/acid-e-bike-frontlicht-pro-e-140-high-beam-bes3/93812
https://www.cube.eu/de-de/acid-e-bike-frontlicht-pro-e-140-high-beam-bes2/93149

MonkeyLlink PowerBeam Light 280 Lux Connect

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Trelock LS 930-HB LIGHTHAMMER
https://www.trelock.de/de/licht/beleuchtung/e-bike-beleuchtung/e-bike-frontscheinwerfer/ls-930-hb-lighthammer

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