【TS10V2 Al available】Wurkkos "slender waist" TS10v2 aluminum version available with black,green,orange

Thanks for taking a hit for the sake of furthering our collective understanding.

Agree!

Sorry to see the Magic Smoke Escaping from you light.

imo, Turbo is only for marketing. For actual use, I disable Turbo on my TS10, and lower the ceiling 40 Clicks

(for science) I’ve been using my first batch TS10 with H10 cells a lot over the last couple months and putting it in turbo with temp set to 50°, forcing a turbo bump one or two times after it starts to step down. No issues at all. This is not my favorite light and for sure the TS10 is worthy of some criticism, but it seems pretty sound and reliable so far. Points already mentioned about clamping pressure in the smoking video above…I mean this is really to be expected isn’t it? Removing that clamp pressure from the optic/bezel allows for less heat transfer even if the mcpcb doesn’t lift up from the shelf visibly. What’s smoking? Is it actually the emitters or is it thermal paste or flux residue or the surface of the mcpcb? Any bits of broken glue get in there, or solvent residue, or something else? Button it back up and there’s no problem, eh, probably?

I don’t understand the trend lately with people calling out lights for faults that do not exist. Initially we had two claims here with the TS10, one of which proved to be invalid (so to speak) and the other was a minor/expected failure of an emitter which can happen with any of them, and has not-infrequently in the past with a variety of emitters and light manufacturers. Not many months ago a couple of experts were calling out Hank for shipping the wrong emitter temp in their lights. Much ado was made and money out of Hank’s pocket to send free replacements, and it turned out they just didn’t know important details about light/physics/emitters/flashlights and Hank had not made an error at all. Maybe it would be a little better if people asked rather than exclaiming there are problems? This is a pita for our manufacturers and stuff like this seems to have strained some of the relationships the community worked to develop.

I think Wurkkos has a good thing going and hopefully they are picking up on the ways to improve in a few areas, but it seems like they’re catching some flak they (the products) do not deserve, too.

I must say i do not think this is a good approach. Your initial post was incomplete and may have caused some concern about possible faults with the TS10. Though visible, you did not state you unscrewed the bezel, what consequences this has (loose pcb) and what results this may have on (thermal) performance.
It should be unsurprising to anyone that a flashlight does not function as it is supposed to when (partially) disassembled.
My issue with this lies in the (obvious) implication of your post(s) here and in other forums, which was that this is a ts10 issue/fault, not something due to a (partial) disassembly. I think you should have investigated a bit more before your very first post on this topic or added a very clear disclaimer to prevent the conclusion “ts10 smokes at turbo and is bad/faulty” - which many have drawn, judging by comments made.

That said, feel free to experiment. I do like these kinds of experiments and i am happy you try these kinds of things. It is for sure interesting to see the impact of a slightly loose pcb on thermal performance and i would be interested in learning more. However please be a bit more cautious with further posts, especially with the (often implied) conclusions.

Especially when it is posted on Reddit where a lot of people will take it as face value, with Wurkkos losing potential sales due to an issue that may not exist.
Posting on BLF is a bit different, less trafic and more suitable for discussion, a couple of hours later and somebody already mentioned a possible cause and the potential issue can be further tested and the results/discussion have the same visibility as the comment mentioning the issue, which is not the case with reddit, Iotari is even down voted there for whatever obscure reason.

the bug of aux light stay on all the time, fixed already

As one of the people that was at the heart of that so called “Much ado with Hank,” I can tell you that I did not make much ado, and I did ask questions. And as soon as we got the answers, they were posted. In fact, I did NOT ask for replacement boards. I corresponded with Hank asking what he thought, and he sent them himself assuming there was an issue. So please understand that you are mischaracterizing some of what is actually going on.

Also, if you’re worried about Hank’s bottom line, or how any of this affects his relationship with the enthusiast community, I’ve made many a free promo videos for his products and even moderate a subreddit dedicated to his lights. I’ve bought literally hundreds of his lights, never asked for a single freebie. I’m sure the man isn’t feeling taken advantage of when it comes to me.

Okay guys, because y’all asked for more proof:
This is a different, new light right out of the box. I cleaned the mcpcb with isopropanol and drilled holes in the optic in a way that does not interfere with it’s ability to hold the mcpcb down firmly. I’m using the included cell charged to 4.2v.

True, and true. It’s just a large shift I’ve been noticing and it seems to be taking us backwards a step in some ways (speaking in terms of the community at large but also the relationships and developments that we worked hard for over the years. Doesn’t take much to injure them.).

I was speaking to the “event” itself, and if “much ado” bothers you, it was just an observation of the number of posts on reddit, here, and on youtube in a few videos I saw (not including your initial one). I’ll say this bluntly but with kindness….it was just a faux pas that stemmed from a little lack of knowledge. You all figured that out, Hank was gracious as always, you went on to apparently learn a lot more about the subject, and others in the ado probably also learned, which is a good thing. Sounds like you’ve taken that maybe a bit too personal, Cheule, but it wasn’t meant in that way. You have a lot of passion for this and that’s awesome, really. You give a lot of time and energy to the reddit community and a little here, and your videos are well done, easy to watch. I hope you did see the point of my comment and the situation at large, which has been funneling in several lights and manufacturers. I don’t know how long you’ve been at this game but to me it’s been pretty noticeable that there has been a shift over the last 2-3 years, especially the last year or so. The only reason we have some of the awesome lights and emitter choices - and firmware! - that we do today from these manufacturers is because people worked hard to build relationships and give solid technical information to them in order to get their cooperation and better products. It wasn’t always that way and it could sure go the other direction at any time (some already have, either in their products or their participation with us).

Thanks for being so thorough in your testing! I’ll have to update my review to include a warning about Turbo use with a fully charged cell.

Correllux, thank you for the kind words. I didn’t take it personally, I just wanted to point out the things I did in the previous comment I made.

I also do believe that Adair21 isn’t disparaging Wurkkos at all, it is just informational. You know; “look what happens, be careful.”

And based on his last test (rather ingenious solution to provide clamping pressure while allowing the ability to see if the emitter phosphor is burning), I think it’s pretty clear that the little PSA of his is still valid. Looks like at peak charge the emitters are being driven a bit hard.

OK, now that’s pretty definitive. And even if it was some leftover flux under the LED it would still be bad due to the fogging of the optic it would result to.
Was it cleaned around the LEDs or soaked into IPA ? When reflowing CSP LEDs like E21A I would soak the MCPCB into multiple bathes of hot IPA as per Clemence recommendations, since according to him, the flux under the LED could sip onto the phosphors by capillary action when heated.

In any case Wurkkos has to either limit the FET max duty cycle, or use a regulated driver.

I cleaned as much of the mcpcb as possible with some precision q-tips, let the light air dry and then ran the light on high for a few minutes to make sure all the IPA was fully evaporated.

I didn’t want to remove the mcpcb for an IPA bath so I couldn’t be blamed for causing the issue

Creative way to test this. I’d say this one does validate your initial claim.
Do you know what the maximum output is at which it starts to smoke?

Thanks! I don’t have a clamp meter to measure the current or a lumen tube to measure output. I don’t know how much this helps, but there wasn’t any smoking when the battery was at 3.9v. So the emitters are likely just barely being overdriven.

Ordered an MAO 4000k with ice blue aux, could not resist

What CCT do you have? I have read the warmer CCT’s don’t handle current the same

All my testing was with the 5700k model

Hello everyone,

I got my TS10 from Amazon which came with firmware version 202202080614 so I would like to update it.

I see the latest version from gchart (thanks!) is from 2022-08-17. Do you know what changes from the previous “2022-07-19” (【Brass available with 3000K】Wurkkos TS10 "slender waist" 14500 triple LEDs Light with Anduril 2.0 - #724 by gchart)

By the way this is my flashing adapter (poor anxious man’s version)… hopefully it won’t short randomly… :smiley:

I’ve successfully read from flash the original firmware, with a CP2102 based adapter with no leds/resistors on rx/tx. I used pymcuprog since I had python installed already… should I use avrdude instead?

Do I only need to erase, flash the new firmware and then reset to defaults?

Thanks again for all your work!

MAO is only one run…?
Silver was only one run too… but now it’s coming back.
i wont fall for this trick twice :slight_smile: (joking!)
very interesting light! Thanks, i ordered the MAO in red… hopefully it’s nice. lots of recommendation from various people so far.