Lithium Fires

Exactly. :frowning:

Years ago, The city’s fire chief that lives near me saw me outside and talked about these tanks, since he heard me talking about the tanks. It’s truck mounted but can be portable. When not in use it become a seat. There’s some short coming, Small length hose is the main. They also have the portable one for in house fire. It was new back then. I don’t know if they still in use today. I think someone mentioned, It’s cheaper with the portable tanks, than to refill the mounted tank.

I know about the suit you’re mentioning. It been awhile since I talk to my friend brother in law. I think he mentioned he uses a hazmat one piece suit over his fire fighter suit. I forgot, It been years since I spoke to him.

Can Tesla underlay the battery holder with light weight but durable material? Just a example, Something like Kevlar. It’s lighter than steel.

My thought exactly. A full-bottom skid plate would be helpful. But, Tesla thinks, how many of our cars will run over something that can puncture a cell? It would cut into the profit margin, too. So they don’t bother.

I wouldn’t mind a Mr. Fusion powering my SUV. Anybody remember “Back to the Future”? :sunglasses:

In this area, we have debris in the road all the time. It’s not hard to puncture the underlying if a Tesla.

I ran something over. It dented my floor pan. It was raining and visibility was a issue.

Garage seen damage Telsa batteries damage from hitting road debris, Customers wonder why their car doesn’t start.

i’ve seen trailer hitches in the road that have backed out of an unsecured receiver—they will do some damage to low ground clearance vehicles

Pa. roads are like a war zone normally.

Do not forget about rodents, they love wire insulation, it is like candy to them. there is a video on youtube how rodents got inside tesla battery.

Especially if you’re in a turn, and the front tire shoot the ball hitch right at the floor board. If it’s a Tesla, the ball hitch will be in the back seat.

I’m willing to bet this was an older Tesla Model S without the steel basement protection plate.

What about a proper fire suppression system built into these EV’s battery enclosures. Some racecars, I’ve seen it mostly in 200mph or higher dragsters, have had them for years. Yes it is used to put out a high octane or even nitro methane powered vehicles but, if the technology exist to put a highly advanced EV on the road then why can’t they make it safe from the fire even starting to begin with? Or at least the care be smart enough to sense when a fire has started and be able to put it out before millions of dollars worth of fire fighting equipment is called to the scene to put out a fire that they really can’t put out.

Damn things are too expensive as it is. Why not at least make them safe.

Technology to to a point where we got power steering, for easier and safer driving. We got anti lock brakes, for safer and quicker stopping. We got air bags that can inflate in fractions of a second to save our lives. Even the rubber tire has come such a long way in the last 60 years, keeping us safer on the road. Why in the hell are we risking our lives sitting on top of a battery with no way to stop it when it decides to go into runaway mode?

Just a thought, or two.

It’s not cost effective. The fire suppression system has to be expected. Expiration date on chemical.

There was an article I was reading about installing fire suppression system in EVs. The cons out way the pros. Times are different now. You never know.

I think adding something that will contain the fire and chemicals fumes in an accident is a better option. Especially if the driver is unconscious.

What about salt used in the snow belt, I would image it can’t be good for these battery packs…

@GleamBeam, it’s fine, no worries.

Punctures are the only issue.

there is a big difference between storing fuel and storing energy, fuel needs outside oxygen to burn, and heat, remove any of those and fire goes out. with energy is not so simple, it does not need any of that, battery fire is a lot closer to gunpowder burning, than to a fuel.

One area of concern is EVs that have been flooded by salt water. According to the NHTSA, residual salt within the battery or battery components can form conductive “bridges” that can lead to short circuit and self-heating of the battery, resulting in fires.Oct 20, 2022

And this

My hybrid sonata was flooded by sandy, it was sitting in salty floodwaters half a night with battery submerged, nothing happened,

A lot of times nothing happens. They’re always a chance something will.

We had a storm with stupid people decide to take their EV through a flood. Some were lucky when it dried out, it ran the same. While others wasn’t. Some battery pack are seal better than others.

Copy & paste from the web

IP65 means the item is totally sealed against dust entering and is protected from low pressure jets of water from any direction. EV electrical components, in particular those in the high voltage sections of the motor, speed controller and battery, are rated to IP66 or better.Dec 4, 2018