What really happens in Greece?

Jeansy, I studied in the UK, and was working in London (total of 10 years), I regret coming back to Greece and am considering moving back to London. I remember 10 years ago I started seeing the first of "bad immigrants" in London, and I was thinking that it's going to get worse. I agree that the UK should have stricter immigration laws, especially for those countries that entered the EU in the past few years. Imagine what will happen if one day EU decides to let Turkey in the EU...

You are right about the laziness of people. People like Polish etc bring skills and crafts, and do jobs that many Brits and especially the young ones wouldn't consider learning or doing, this is exactly what happened here also. Of course coming from a poorer country most but not all of them will try to take advantage and abuse the system over there in the expense of taxpayers like yourself... example: here with the current system most immigrants try to work for just 2 months a year so that they can have insurance (NHS) for 2 years... so they work 2 months and then they get health insurance for them and their family for the current and folling year... so you can imagine how this affects the system and how much it costs...

Unemployment benefits sure change people’s attitudes. They don’t realize they’re being propped up by their fellow countrymen but they begin seeing it as an entitlement once it becomes such an institution. This isn’t a bash on Spain, but I remember watching an interview of Spanish citizen who remarked how he has no desire to go back to work because he has all he needs from unemployment and he could continue receiving it for a very long time. That’s just an example. I don’t know if policy has changed since then. Is that why unemployment climbed so high in that country?

I see the sense of entitlement in the workforce as the major destruction of society. I have sympathy for people suffering hardships, but I’m sick of seeing endless welfare handouts to people who continually make irresponsible decisions. And the worst of it all, these people still own iPhones while they’re buying food with stamps and going home to their Section 8 tax payer funded house. Of course, corrupt politicians are a blight, but they’re still just people like the rest of us and it’s our responsibility to keep them in check.

does not matter. Any deal is based on what can be bought for a certain amount of eu and what for a certain amount of $ (or other). Imagine euro has fallen to half a dollar. In the end, not much would change.

There are disastrous consequences in peoples life though. This crisis has overcome the “known” limits and there are no signs it will stop soon.

Lazy, manipulative people is not capitalism nor is it a product of capitalism. People can easily be corrupted, plain and simple. Would you rather leave it in the hands of the corrupt politicians so many here speak of?

There will always be flaws but I’m still grateful for what I have. Sometimes you gotta vent :slight_smile:

http://www.eurofound.europa.eu/eiro/studies/tn1106010s/tn1106010s.htm

Scroll down to see how the data changes or can be manipulated, Figure 5 puts us near the top but the rest show us near the bottom, everybody thinks they work harder than others, it’s human nature

It will not stop soon (speaking of Greece). Greece has little industry, not much to sell. That is the main thing.

here media say our government invested 3 million US$ in greece. now its useless.

And this "crisis" which certainly could have been tackled in a different way and at a much earlier stage (but as we said this situation benefits some), and will get much worse before it gets better, certainly doesn't benefit the US, as a stronger dollar means cheaper imports but hurts the US exports. I suppose this is also one of the many reasons why the US president is urging many times the heads of the EU countries to tackle this crisis faster, more seriously and more decisively.

Greek Flashlight Community NOT in Crisis:

Free Flashlight tours in the mountains and seas of Crete for those who come! 8)

It takes the attention away from the US debt.

E4 path is a great way to discover Greece with your flashlights!

I still remember exploring the utter beauty of Mt. Ida and the surrounding areas as a teen.

Can one still go down into the “Cave of Zeus?”

While many european countries are in similar economic problems and have classic problems with corupion I personally think that greece problems are of different cause and I’m not really sympathizing with them. I’m going to be honest, Greece for many years supported Serbian government (Milosevic) and helped them to avoid international sanctions with their “soft” border politic while many thousand of innocent civilians were killed all over former Yugoslavia states. They are also very persistent with giving Macedonia trouble regarding their name Macedonia naming dispute - Wikipedia

What goes around comes around…

I read so many articles about Greece and its current state of economic challenge. I have yet to fully understand
the countries economic down turn. I have friends that own Hotels and have family in Greece and the reasons are too many. Perhaps that’s the answer only its difficult to understand because too many contributing factors. I think everyone has been mentioned here…

Yes, i am planning to go up there soon again! At night of course!!!

I have gone in the Samaria gorge, which is in the E4 too, at night!!

I won’t comment on the other statements, you might be right, can’t judge. But on this quote i made, it is a big foul of you, if you study history and read all the good papers/reports globally(of course I do not mean the greek ones), Macedonia was a greek civilization and part of the Greek history, it is NOT part of history of a Slavic nation that wants to grab themselves from a great historic name, in order to create a solid historic identity.

You might be right, but while Macedonia was one of the Yugoslavia republics there was no problem. As soon as they became independent Greece suddenly made a big fuss about it…

Agreed. What we do to get into problems AND how we respond to problems does define us.

Not to take sides with anyone, but its just business.

I probably wouldn’t ship anything to Greece…why would I when Ive heard other sellers dont ship to Greece and they may have postal issues. I would rather ship with in Canada, or within NorthAmerica.

Seller doest receive package within 45days asks me to make it right, or goes to PayPal and I am out the shipped item, plus the refund amount. So as a seller you want to make that chance as small as possible.

Just like a LOT of USA ebay sellers/US websites wont ship to me in Canada. They dont want to fill out a customs form, or get a postal quote or whatever, so no problem they just ship to USA only.

I am an old ebay buyer, and in the past 10 years maybe I lost a package once or twice, in the hundreds that I received. At the end of the day if someone is afraid of posting something to Greece they can always offer recorded post. This is what I always suggest to someone who doesn't post abroad, and that's the smart thing to do if you are a seller. Recorded post never gets "lost" and buyer cannot lie about it. Shipping to Italy is really a different matter though... :P