SKY RAY 9xT6 9xCREE XM-L T6 2x/3x26550/18650 5000LM 5-mode Super Brightness Flashlight---Brightness Over DRY

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hello rick,
can you guys offer this light in a light, batteries, and charger combo for 26650 cells.
i dont have any 26650 cells and a charger at the moment, and that would gather my interest even more in purchasing this light.

thanks

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rufus001 wrote:
I just received this light today. Unfortunately I can’t do tailcap readings or beamshots but what I can tell you is:

After about a 20 minute walk on high my batteries (AW IMR) had gone from 4.18V to Just under 3.7V.

The head although warm wasn’t hot.

The batteries were actually quit warm, but not hot.

You’ll need 26650’s as my 3 18650’s weren’t quite long enough so I couldn’t move the light around otherwise it would turn on and off.

My usually very consistent ceiling bounce readings gave me this after about a minute:
TK70 and TN30 – 120 to 125
Sky Ray – 175 to 185.

I’ve tested heaps of lights and compared them to tests on CPF and if you multiple my reading by 23 I think you get a reasonable lumens estimate.

Definitely a flooder this one but the hotspot is quite large and well defined.

TK70/TN30 around 2750 lumens
Sky Ray around 4150 lumens.

Thanks Rufus001 for the information. This light is now on my “to buy” list.

Richie

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The TK70 definitely out throws the Sky Ray. The reflector of the TK70 is much bigger as are the cut-outs in the reflector. This is definitely a flooder NOT a thrower but it out floods MUCH more expensive lights. And heat is much better dealt with than in my Dry for example.

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Put mine thru it paces last night.

Out did the DRY easy, although mine isn’t the Turbo model, the one before.

Will compare to the Spark, TJ-12 and TM11 tonight.

Heaps of light out of this girl, and does throw easily for 150 metres with heaps of white at the other end.

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My Dry is the Turbo. I wouldn’t put the TM11 in that test tonight. It’s a lovely little light and you’ll hurt it’s feelings up against this bad boy. Sad

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My usually very consistent ceiling bounce readings gave me this after about a minute:
TK70 and TN30 – 120 to 125
Sky Ray – 175 to 185.

I’ve tested heaps of lights and compared them to tests on CPF and if you multiple my reading by 23 I think you get a reasonable lumens estimate.

Definitely a flooder this one but the hotspot is quite large and well defined.

TK70/TN30 around 2750 lumens
Sky Ray around 4150 lumens.

Sky Ray 9 XM-L is about 3200 lumens OTF. Same ballpark as the Trustfire X100 in OTF lumens. The TF X100 would out throw the Sky Ray by a wee bit.

You could gun the Sky Ray at > 3k lumens OTF for 2 hours with 2 sets of 26650 and it would not feel any pinch. Big Smile

The good thing about this light is that it probably can operate in 2S mode with 2 × 26650, but for short periods only like 30 mins coz the TF 26650 protection trips at about 6.5 amps. The TF X100 is a 3S light, and the tubes are not interchangeable with the J12/J18 series. (would be good if it does, but nope the threads are totally different)

Next step, someone mod it with a $20 KD driver.

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cant wait for some beam shots or just some comparison chatter. id like to know if it throws further and does or does not have a floodier beam/spill than the j12, and the king, dry, or tm11.

if floodier, can this be one of the floodiest lights available then?

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2100 wrote:

Sky Ray 9 XM-L is about 3200 lumens OTF.

How did you test it?

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rufus001 wrote:
2100 wrote:

Sky Ray 9 XM-L is about 3200 lumens OTF.

How did you test it?

Just extrapolate it. Just take TK70 to be ~ 2200 lumens OTF. It could be 2100, could be 2300 as well, don’t know. But seriously that’s ok and definitely much more accurate than a DMM current measurement which has even more + bigger variables.

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blueb8llz wrote:
cant wait for some beam shots or just some comparison chatter. id like to know if it throws further and does or does not have a floodier beam/spill than the j12, and the king, dry, or tm11.

if floodier, can this be one of the floodiest lights available then?

Can’t be the floodiest, there are stuff like the Xeno E03.

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2100 wrote:

Just extrapolate it. Just take TK70 to be ~ 2200 lumens OTF. It could be 2100, could be 2300 as well, don’t know. But seriously that’s ok and definitely much more accurate than a DMM current measurement which has even more + bigger variables.

Aaaah I see. You should note that the TK70 is claimed at around 2300 but has never been tested. The TN30 has been tested, although by home made setups, to be around 2700 lumens. Hence my estimate of around 4000 lumens for the Sky Ray. I’ve ceiling bounce tested heaps of lights of various sizes, about 30, and it fits my testing more accurately to say the TK70 over produces than the TN30 only give 2300 lumens. When I say fits I mean comparing all the tests to factory claimed lumens(non chinese Big Smile ), and tests on CPF. I’d love to see one of the “professional” testers on here or CPF get their hands on this one.

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rufus001 wrote:
I’d love to see one of the “professional” testers on here or CPF get their hands on this one.

Me too Big Smile

Current Collection:

BLF: BLF-GT90, BLF-GT70 (CW Sliced), BLF GTmini, BLF-LT1; 

BTU: Shocker (3 x SST-40 @ 8A)

Solarforce: L2P (XM-L2 U3 @ 4A), MPP-1 (XP-L HI @ 6A), MPP-3 (3 x XM-L2 U2 @ 12A), M6 (Nichia 319A @ 6A), M8 (XHP-50.2 @ 9A), 9x (9 x XM-L2 U2 @ 2A)

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2100 wrote:

Just extrapolate it. Just take TK70 to be ~ 2200 lumens OTF. It could be 2100, could be 2300 as well, don’t know. But seriously that’s ok and definitely much more accurate than a DMM current measurement which has even more + bigger variables.

Aaaah I see. You should note that the TK70 is claimed at around 2300 but has never been tested. The TN30 has been tested, although by home made setups, to be around 2700 lumens. Hence my estimate of around 4000 lumens for the Sky Ray. I’ve ceiling bounce tested heaps of lights of various sizes, about 30, and it fits my testing more accurately to say the TK70 over produces than the TN30 only give 2300 lumens. When I say fits I mean comparing all the tests to factory claimed lumens(non chinese Big Smile ), and tests on CPF. I’d love to see one of the “professional” testers on here or CPF get their hands on this one.

Actually there have been several verifications of the TK70 to be correct for the OTF lumens. Just that the lux reading by Fenix is a bit on the high side.

I am also basing this with my collection of nearly 100 lights.

Don’t have to be CPF only for the sole source of information, but from german/russian forums as well.

PS. Don’t have to be worried about the lumens definition, that is why we always use “OTF” which means Out-The-Front. All standardised already.

You are saying that the TN31 is 2700 lumens OTF and 125 on your meter? / If you have another known thrower + well driven light like Crelant 7G9/Olight M3X/SWM T40CS….that’d help as well if we could have those figures.

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You are saying that the TN31 is 2700 lumens OTF and 125 on your meter?

No. 125 which is about 2875. TK70 110 which is about 2760. TM11 86 which is about 2000. SC600 35 which is 780 etc etc.

I would love to browse the german/russian sites but I only know 2 languages. English and Aussie. Big Smile

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Has anyone compared a TK70 to a TN30 with the same meter?

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TC40CS – 41 or 943.
TN11S – 40 or 920.
Crelant 7G5V2 – 40 or 920

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rufus001 wrote:
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You are saying that the TN31 is 2700 lumens OTF and 125 on your meter?

No. 115 which is about 2600. TK70 110 which is about 2500. TM11 86 which is about 2000. SC600 35 which is 780 etc etc.

I would love to browse the german/russian sites but I only know 2 languages. English and Aussie. Big Smile

I was taking TK70 to be 120 as per your 1st post, so i guess that’s a bit off.

I actually had 2 TK70s, one was very slightly driven better. But very slight. But 2200 lumens OTF is more or less correct. TM11 might not be a good candidate due to the long history of the small driver quirks here and there.

If that’s the case then it might be a bit better for the Sky Ray. If we use a factor of 20, then it’s 175 × 20 = 3500. You mentioned 185 as well (initial reading?). So that’s 3700.
If we take 21 then it gets quite close to like 3900 lumens OTF. Seems possible to be a wee bit better driven than the X100.

These lights also have drivers which regulate the power a bit differently when driven with 2 cells, 3 cells and 4 cells. The J12/J18/X100 all exhibit this behaviour. The 2 cells might be a bit brighter. This has been documented in the X100 thread as well as on thaicpf.

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TC40CS – 41 or 943. TN11S – 40 or 920.

The T40CS is quite a good candidate. Well driven + well heatsinked, stable driver. It is advertised to be 788 lumens OTF. I measured it to be in the same ballpark as well.

So seems to be factor of 20 is better.

If you have a good DMM/short leads…..and TF 26650s, you can have a better idea then. I can supply my results with the TF X100.

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Sorry I typed my first reply to you with figures from my head. Doh. I have since edited them. Upon reflection I agree with your figure of 20. Smile

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Damn, you got my fingers itchy again.

I am sort of waiting for the 12 XM-L model. Party

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Given the adjustment I’m still even more confident that the Sky Ray is on the WOW side of 3500 lumens.

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Given the adjustment I’m still even more confident that the Sky Ray is on the WOW side of 3500 lumens.

Yeah, most likely worst case scenario of 3500 lumens OTF. Using “OTF” is great, coz it doesn’t care how much the glass is cutting, how lousy the reflector is, driver efficiency etc.

But as always, to notice a jump in brightness, you’d need a min of 20% and that’s assuming with the same sized hotspot. So there really is not much of an upgrade from TF X100 to this Sky Ray.

Maybe you could get to a distance of say 7 metres and measure the lux? I guess you know how to convert to lux @ 1m or candelas, if not just post the RAW figure.

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I don’t have anything with which I can measure the distance at the moment. How about I take some lux readings from the same spot with the Crelant, Sunwayman and Sky Ray? That way we should be able to estimate the distance given the previously tested, by you or others, lux 1m of the Crelant and the Sunwayman. And therefore the lux 1m of the Sky Ray. First I’m going to have to walk the dog though!

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I don’t have anything with which I can measure the distance at the moment. How about I take some lux readings from the same spot with the Crelant, Sunwayman and Sky Ray? That way we should be able to estimate the distance given the previously tested, by you or others, lux 1m of the Crelant and the Sunwayman. And therefore the lux 1m of the Sky Ray. First I’m going to have to walk the dog though!

Yeah you could do that. The SWM T40CS and Fenix TK70 would be just fine. No problem you can walk the dog, i just had my dinner and going to bathe. LOL!

Try to do at least 7 metres, preferably 10m and above.

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OK. Here goes. Please note that its as windy as hell so conditions aren’t ideal. Plus I may not have got the exact distance each time but it would be within a foot each time.

Sky Ray 225
Crelant 443
T40CS 485
TK70 107

If my T40CS is a slight over performer and the Crelant a slight under performer it looks like I’ve managed to measure at almost exactly 10m. Woohoo! I say that because Selfbuilts CPF test got 48500 for the Crelant and 46700 for the T40CS. You may have more accurate starting figures. My T40Cs definitely out-throws my Crelant by about 10% as I retested them together several times.

So what’s that? 300 metres for the Sky Ray. Not bad for a flooder.

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2100 wrote:
So seems to be factor of 20 is better.

So my lights are going to seem 10% dimmer now. Crying Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile

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rufus001 wrote:
OK. Here goes. Please note that its as windy as hell so conditions aren’t ideal. Plus I may not have got the exact distance each time but it would be within a foot each time.

Sky Ray 225
Crelant 443
T40CS 485
TK70 107

If my T40CS is a slight over performer and the Crelant a slight under performer it looks like I’ve managed to measure at almost exactly 10m. Woohoo! I say that because Selfbuilts CPF test got 48500 for the Crelant and 46700 for the T40CS. You may have more accurate starting figures. My T40Cs definitely out-throws my Crelant by about 10% as I retested them together several times.

So what’s that? 300 metres for the Sky Ray. Not bad for a flooder.

You must be talking about the Crelant 7G5 V2 sicne you mentioned 48500. That is not a good candidate as a few here got underperforming copies as well. It was actually very evident even visible in the photos. ILIKEFLASHLIGHTS actually sent his back and the new copy was better.

The TK70 could be 1070 (times 10)? Anyway I got ~50k for the T40CS. *The Sky Ray 9 XM-L seems to be in the low 20k cd range, same as the Trustfire J12.
*The TF X100 is 38k cd, just shy of 40k.

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I’ll put this as a seperate post for the benefit of others. Seems like this one is in the low 20k cd range.

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Yeah it was the 7G5 V2. Mine is a bit crap evidently. So it sounds as though I was at 10m and you can simply multiple my results by 100. So 48500 for the T40CS. The Tk70 was 1070, sorry! So that makes it 107000. Does that sound ok for the TK70?

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Yeah it was the 7G5 V2. Mine is a bit crap evidently. So it sounds as though I was at 10m and you can simply multiple my results by 100. So 48500 for the T40CS. The Tk70 was 1070, sorry! So that makes it 107000. Does that sound ok for the TK70?

It’s a bit high, but i think some got 102k cd, believe it was saabluster’s. Sometimes it depends on the meter, when it’s close to the limit it could go a wee bit wonky (sensor thingy) due to non-linearity. Obviously other than the focus of the light, we try not to measure at 1m coz the powerful lights just does not hit the light sensor in its optimum range. (depends on the $$$ ie sensor quality but we shall leave that out in this case).

I got 93k cd. There are a few others in the 90k cd range.

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