Review: Small Sun ZY-T08 2 x 18650 (Parallel)

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Many thanks for the review. I think you’ve whet a few appetites ‘round here :bigsmile:

Just wondering…How do you think this might compare with the SMALL SUN ZY-T16? The head looks to be the exact same one but the batteries (26650) are in series instead.

Good observation. Personally I’m not fan of 26650 since the cells have hardly more capacity, and less compatible with anything else (incl chargers). The shorter design also have some advantages.

Too bad this light doesn’t have the better tint of the T13. Too many really cool white throwers, but still tempting.

Sorry, but where is the ZY-T13 available with neutral tinted emitter?

Anyone got both, ZY-T13 and ZY-T08? Does T13 throw better or worse? (got T13 on the shelf now, throws IMO decent but AFAIK no STL-V2 class.)

e: Oh nuts… One way to find out – ordered Big Smile

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Many thanks for the review. I think you've whet a few appetites 'round here :bigsmile: Just wondering...How do you think this might compare with the "SMALL SUN ZY-T16":http://www.manafont.com/product_info.php/small-sun-zyt16-xml-t6-5mode-12...? The head looks to be the exact same one but the batteries (26650) are in series instead.
Good observation. Personally I'm not fan of 26650 since the cells have hardly more capacity, and less compatible with anything else (incl chargers). The shorter design also have some advantages. Too bad this light doesn't have the better tint of the T13. Too many really cool white throwers, but still tempting.
Sorry, but where is the ZY-T13 available with neutral tinted emitter? Anyone got both, ZY-T13 and ZY-T08? Does T13 throw better or worse? (got T13 on the shelf now, throws IMO decent but AFAIK no STL-V2 class.)

ILF has posted some comparison beamshots and the ZY-T08 does seem to have the edge (but seem darn close to me).  See his thread here with photos. Or this thread vs. the fenix TK41.

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Many thanks for the review. I think you’ve whet a few appetites ‘round here :bigsmile: Just wondering…How do you think this might compare with the SMALL SUN ZY-T16? The head looks to be the exact same one but the batteries (26650) are in series instead.
Good observation. Personally I’m not fan of 26650 since the cells have hardly more capacity, and less compatible with anything else (incl chargers). The shorter design also have some advantages. Too bad this light doesn’t have the better tint of the T13. Too many really cool white throwers, but still tempting.
Sorry, but where is the ZY-T13 available with neutral tinted emitter? Anyone got both, ZY-T13 and ZY-T08? Does T13 throw better or worse? (got T13 on the shelf now, throws IMO decent but AFAIK no STL-V2 class.)

ILF has posted some comparison beamshots and the ZY-T08 does seem to have the edge (but seem darn close to me).  See his thread here with photos. Or this thread vs. the fenix TK41.

-Garry

Thanks Gary, looks pretty nice for the price indeed!
Just ordered one, 4,90$ after I slaughtered all my mana-points Wink
My very firts 2 × 18650 -parallel. I have been waiting to find a good one for some time now…

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CheapThrills wrote:
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Many thanks for the review. I think you’ve whet a few appetites ‘round here :bigsmile:

Just wondering…How do you think this might compare with the SMALL SUN ZY-T16? The head looks to be the exact same one but the batteries (26650) are in series instead.

Good observation. Personally I’m not fan of 26650 since the cells have hardly more capacity, and less compatible with anything else (incl chargers). The shorter design also have some advantages.

Too bad this light doesn’t have the better tint of the T13. Too many really cool white throwers, but still tempting.

Sorry, but where is the ZY-T13 available with neutral tinted emitter?

Not neutral, but slightly better tint. Like 1D vs 1A.

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Excuse my noob-ness Silly , but why is this light rated at 7.2 – 9v ?
If the batteries are in parallel, shouldn’t the rating be up to 4.5v ??
Am I missing something here?

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You’re not missing anything. The listing has to be in error on this point.

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Finally got mine today! I compared it to the lights that I have, and its brighter and out throws my TMART UltraFire HD2010, and T13 (same size hotspot). It almost beats my UF-V6. If I removed the white plastic piece, it would probably have an identical throw to my UF-V6!

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Yeah!  Mine should be delivered later today!  I had mine shipped to my work and tracking showed an "attempted delivery - business closed" result.  I've got my new protected Panasonic 3100's from KumaBear here at the office charging up beside me so I'm ready!  Oh, and I did eventually get my diffusion film order too (although the guy sent it to my home address so I had some explaining to do to the wife!). 

BetweenRides - you ever get yours?

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Silverbolt wrote:
Finally got mine today! I compared it to the lights that I have, and its brighter and out throws my TMART UltraFire HD2010, and T13 (same size hotspot). It almost beats my UF-V6. If I removed the white plastic piece, it would probably have an identical throw to my UF-V6!

Now did you 2010 lovers hear that?

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Finally got mine today! I compared it to the lights that I have, and its brighter and out throws my TMART UltraFire HD2010, and T13 (same size hotspot). It almost beats my UF-V6. If I removed the white plastic piece, it would probably have an identical throw to my UF-V6!

Now did you 2010 lovers hear that?

Well that’s not how mine shows it… My TMART UltraFire HD2010 beats my T08

 

 

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Finally got mine today! I compared it to the lights that I have, and its brighter and out throws my TMART UltraFire HD2010, and T13 (same size hotspot). It almost beats my UF-V6. If I removed the white plastic piece, it would probably have an identical throw to my UF-V6!

Now did you 2010 lovers hear that?

Well that’s not how mine shows it… My TMART UltraFire HD2010 beats my T08

You must have got the weaker one.

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ILIKEFLASHLIGHTS wrote:
Now did you 2010 lovers hear that?

With all due respect to Silverbolt, all he offered was some casual commentary. There are too many variables that haven’t been defined and addressed. Current readings, lux readings, battery condition, beam shots etc are all absent. Some people have under-performing HD2010’s. At least one other member has said the opposite as well.

I might buy this light at some point and find out for myself, but I’m not exactly eager to double up on throwers in the same performance ballpark. Anything new would have to stand out.

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cainn wrote:
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Now did you 2010 lovers hear that?

With all due respect to Silverbolt, all he offered was some casual commentary. There are too many variables that haven’t been defined and addressed. Current readings, lux readings, battery condition, beam shots etc are all absent. Some people have under-performing HD2010’s. At least one other member has said the opposite as well.

I might buy this light at some point and find out for myself, but I’m not exactly eager to double up on throwers in the same performance ballpark. Anything new would have to stand out.

Well at least we have one that has said otherwise and in favor of the T08. That’s all I was pointing out. Nothing more and nothing less.

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Garry: My status still says processed through Sort Facility in HK, has since 10/24. Ordered on 10/11. I'm not sure what's going on with HK Post lately, very frustrating. A 10/22 order from FF went through Singapore and was in ISC NY by Saturday. Luck of the draw I guess.

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ILIKEFLASHLIGHTS wrote:
Well at least we have one that has said otherwise and in favor of the T08. That’s all I was pointing out. Nothing more and nothing less.

It’s all good ILF. All this “my flashlight could kick your flashlights ass in a fight” stuff is amusing anyway.

As long as you understand that the HD2010 rules so much that it could survive re-entry after being ejected from the ISS, and still be pumping out lumens after subsequently sinking to the bottom of the Mariana Trench, we’ll get along OK.

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cainn wrote:
With all due respect to Silverbolt, all he offered was some casual commentary. There are too many variables that haven't been defined and addressed. Current readings, lux readings, battery condition, beam shots etc are all absent. Some people have under-performing HD2010's. At least one other member has said the opposite as well.

I have an HD2010 I could compare my incoming ZY-T08 to, however it's currently dead and awaiting a U3 and KD V2 3.74A driver (2 extra 350mA AMC's) transplant.  Probably won't be a fair comparison.  Then again, I could do the resistor mod on the ZY-T08 and then compare them. 

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Yea I have swimmed to the bottom of the Mariana Trench a few times just to say I did. LOL!

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Yea I have swimmed to the bottom of the Mariana Trench a few times just to say I did. LOL!

ILF, next time you explore the Mariana Trench see if you can find my Enlan EL-01B from DiscoveryBargain that never showed up.

Take my word for it, or follow this link if think I'm kidding:  http://budgetlightforum.com/node/1740#comment-33655   Silly

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I have no doubt that the T08 is one heckuva bargain (just look at the price ! Love ).
But I already have the STL-V2 which kicks out about 48Kcd, I believe. My next thrower will have to double that, at least !
Better yet, something in the region of 130+ Kcd Smile

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It just may have the fastest strobe on a $30 light out there. On that one I bet no contest! Shocked

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I have received my T08 and I’m definitely impressed with it. It feels solid, well-machined, good finish, etc… I’m very happy with it. It definitely beats my Marsfire STL-V2 wannabe in every aspect imaginable. Very good value for 26 beans.

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Lumatic wrote:
It just may have the fastest strobe on a $30 light out there. On that one I bet no contest! :O

You mean what I call "heart attack inducing strobe"?  I've wondered why they make the strobe so fast, but I guess it is more "tactical" that way.  I actually like a slower strobe or even a beacon, but I'd still prefer it be hidden.

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garrybunk wrote:

Lumatic wrote:
It just may have the fastest strobe on a $30 light out there. On that one I bet no contest! Shocked

You mean what I call “heart attack inducing strobe”?  I’ve wondered why they make the strobe so fast, but I guess it is more “tactical” that way.  I actually like a slower strobe or even a beacon, but I’d still prefer it be hidden.

-Garry


My vote is for all strobes to be hidden my Fenix TK21 has hidden strobe. You have hold the side button down then it goes to strobe. It strobes for like 3 seconds or so then does a beacon for the same amount of time then rootates between them. I would like it that way if all of them did that! Oh well guess you cant have everything when you get cheap lights.

Edit – did you ever get your light Garry?

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Just got my ZY-T08!  Nice!  Really nice!  It's bigger than I thought it would be.  Nearly perfect condition too - no scrapes, scratches, etc. . .  Popped my two new Panasonics in it and oh man does it have one heck of a bright hotspot!  I'm at work and turned it on shining toward the floor and after I turned it off I was waiting for someone to say "what the heck was that???"  Can't wait to give it a good test at night (although I don't know that I want to go out in the pouring rain to do so!).  Very happy with it so far!

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I finally ordered one, too. Parallel setup allows modding with NANJG105C; I might make it 3.5A custom UI and copper core XM-L T6 3C; I’ll see.

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I finally ordered one, too. Parallel setup allows modding with NANJG105C; I might make it 3.5A custom UI and copper core XM-L T6 3C; I'll see.

Didn't you order the "other version" with the dual switches?  Why this one too?  Are the heads the same size?  Or is the other smaller and not so much a thrower as this one?

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Didn't you order the "other version" with the dual switches?  Why this one too?  Are the heads the same size?  Or is the other smaller and not so much a thrower as this one?

Yes, I love the dual switches for the UI, but I ordered this one for throw, since it's reflector diameter is much bigger.

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cainn wrote:
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Now did you 2010 lovers hear that?

With all due respect to Silverbolt, all he offered was some casual commentary. There are too many variables that haven’t been defined and addressed. Current readings, lux readings, battery condition, beam shots etc are all absent. Some people have under-performing HD2010’s. At least one other member has said the opposite as well.

I might buy this light at some point and find out for myself, but I’m not exactly eager to double up on throwers in the same performance ballpark. Anything new would have to stand out.

Thanks Cainn. The best I can do is use same quality batteries (trustfires), and do beam shots to illustrate. And as mentioned, there are many variables. My HD2010 could be fluke under performer, or my T08 is a fluke over performer. The T08 had a tighter and brighter hotspot than my HD2010, but the hd2010 had a much brighter and useable spill. This may sound surprising, but my t08 also out threw my friend’s TK35! I was shocked to see that!

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The Fenix TK35 does good to throw much past 200yds. The T08 will easily beat the TK35. I have one but it’s the older T6 version and not the U2, but there’s not a lot of difference between those versions. I forgot what selfbuilt said the TK35 T6 was, but I think it was around 23,000 lux. The last T08 I got I’m gonna say it’s around 45,000 lux going off of what my other XM-L throwers I have are said to produce. And I have a bunch of the better name ones. I would say it’s just a little bit under the Catapult V3 in throw.

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