Haterade wrote:

Sounds like everyone wants high PWM. So mode order seems to be the big sticking point.

I can see the merit to both arguments… For large lights, starting in high usually makes the most sense. BUT… Having superlow “firefly” mode makes starting low and progressing up make more sense.

Mode memory is a key consideration in this as well….

I think if there is NO mode memory Firefly>Low>Med>High order might be the way to go. Switching down to firefly from high could be totally useless in scenarios that require superlow light. You’ve already blinded yourself!

If there IS mode memory H>M>L>FF could work OK. If you want super low light just leave it in that mode. Easy. Only a quick on-off scenario would mess that up. Would definitely want a short amount of time until memory kicks in. I’d say no more than 1 sec.

What do you guys think?

I’m right there with you. Memory or FF-L-M-H would be my preferred option. But I guess there are a lot of guys who don’t spare a thought about low/ff mode and want to start with High…. a tough call for Rey :bigsmile:

Infinite wrote:

Haterade wrote:

Sounds like everyone wants high PWM. So mode order seems to be the big sticking point. I can see the merit to both arguments... For large lights, starting in high usually makes the most sense. BUT... Having superlow "firefly" mode makes starting low and progressing up make more sense. Mode memory is a key consideration in this as well.... I think if there is NO mode memory Firefly>Low>Med>High order might be the way to go. Switching down to firefly from high could be totally useless in scenarios that require superlow light. You've already blinded yourself! If there IS mode memory H>M>L>FF could work OK. If you want super low light just leave it in that mode. Easy. Only a quick on-off scenario would mess that up. Would definitely want a short amount of time until memory kicks in. I'd say no more than 1 sec. What do you guys think?

I'm right there with you. Memory or FF-L-M-H would be my preferred option. But I guess there are a lot of guys who don't spare a thought about low/ff mode and want to start with High.... a tough call for Rey :bigsmile:

Haterade wrote:

Sounds like everyone wants high PWM. So mode order seems to be the big sticking point. I can see the merit to both arguments... For large lights, starting in high usually makes the most sense. BUT... Having superlow "firefly" mode makes starting low and progressing up make more sense. Mode memory is a key consideration in this as well.... I think if there is NO mode memory Firefly>Low>Med>High order might be the way to go. Switching down to firefly from high could be totally useless in scenarios that require superlow light. You've already blinded yourself! If there IS mode memory H>M>L>FF could work OK. If you want super low light just leave it in that mode. Easy. Only a quick on-off scenario would mess that up. Would definitely want a short amount of time until memory kicks in. I'd say no more than 1 sec. What do you guys think?

I'm stuck with picking a preferred mode order and memory or no memory.  I kind of like the idea of having no memory and starting in firefly and progressing to high.  That way you never blind yourself turning the light on.  I don't think it's a big deal to toggle modes to get to high when you want high.  I'm picturing in my mind walking into a room to check on a sleeping baby or out camping and grabbing the light inside the tent to get prepared when nature calls.  In these situations having memory or starting in high mode won't work too well (well memory mode would work if you had remembered ahead of time to set the light in firefly or low).

Then there's that driver program that Dr. Jones came up with which has been touted as being the best of both worlds.  I'd have to look it up again.  Is it ok/legal to use it?

EDIT - looks like I'm right there with JohnnyMac!  Seems I'm in good company!

EDIT #2 - here's what I was thinking (copied two posts from here and here):

DrJones wrote:

luxdrv, for usual flashlights with a clicky. Key features: Ramping; programmable (i.e. modes are configurable by the user, by a number of taps), the number of modes can be changed, too; battery indicator. Special UI that allows to have many modes without the need to cycle through all of them (short-cycle memory). See luxdrv.

luxdrv doesn't really have a main and an extended mode group, they are all in a row, but the UI (actually sixty454's idea) starts from the 1st mode like the no-memory flashlights, but actually combines that with memory: After using a mode (for >1.5s) the next time you switch it on it will use the same mode (memory), and the next mode after that is the 1st mode again. No need to cycle through all the modes. This effectively hides every mode behind it's predecessors, without making reaching it too troublesome.
It's pretty effective if you have your favourite modes at the start of list. 

I found sixty454's idea very expedient.

-Garry

OK so I am not alone. Good.

Can’t lie, at first I was all for H>M>L… but after more thought, it really defeats the whole idea of having a firefly mode. (Unless there is mode memory.)

How about a hidden beacon mode?  Anyone else see this as helpful?  Hey, and while we're at it instead of S-O-S it could do B-L-F in morse code! 

-Garry

Well, Rey could always just sell us the host without a driver and let us put our own in.  TrustFire will never install a Nanjg driver as they will want to use their own.  A Nanjg 105v2 will let us chose 2,3 or 5 modes, whether it starts out in high or in low, and whether it uses mode memory.  It even has moon low.  As a bonus we'd get true 3.04A output and very high PWM.  Offer the option to get one without a driver installed and drop a Nanjg v2 into the package for us do-it-yourselfers.  Offer the option of the complete light as planned for those who don't/can't mod.

Just thinking out loud and don't expect Rey to take this serious.

garrybunk wrote:

How about a hidden beacon mode?  Anyone else see this as helpful?  Hey, and while we're at it instead of S-O-S it could do B-L-F in morse code! 

-Garry

JohnnyMac wrote:

Just thinking out loud and don't expect Rey to take this serious.

I'm not sure how anyone can take you serious anymore with that avatar!  (I get a laugh every time I see it!)  And just in case you change it, here it is:

-Garry

(Sorry for going off-topic.)

WWEFANS wrote:

The following in RED is what i edit.

 

I start a new thread here, post #1, and everyone can see it more easily.

Here is a review of original A8.

 

BLF version will be:

H/M/L/Firefly.  100/30/2/0.05~0.1%.

NW XML T6 3C.  (cool white optional) 

1k Hz PWM  (2K HZ)

2.8A Current

18650 tube available. (from J18) 

Driver available.              size:16.7mm diameter. Picture here

2.5$/pc.(send together)

just the driver.6$.(ePacket,HK,SG Mail)

 

Option:  (order 2pcs,2$ discount,  3pcs 3$,……. )

1.only the light. China Mail: 23$. 

ePacket,SG,HK MAIL:25.5$.

 

2.with a TF Flame 26650 battery+TR-005 charger+gift box. (EU,US or UK plug)

China Mail:38$

SG,SE MAIL:42$

45$ for a DHL 3-5 days’ shipping. (USA only)

 

 

Any idea about the new name? 

(something wrong with the poll,less choices than I input)

1. BLF Christmas 2012

2.BLF Fatty

3.BLF A8

4.BLF LONSHIN (=Long+Shine)

5.ReyLight

You don’t have Trustfire A8, BLF Edition listed as an option. It’s what most people are asking for.

I could probably due without beacon personally. I do like the idea of it being hidden if it is added though.

I'd say some sort of "press and hold for 5 seconds" to trigger beacon.  Beacon being something like 1 second on, 10 seconds off.  Definitely hidden well, but easily accessible. 

-Garry

I'm in for some (two-three-four?), both options.

I have to agree with JM & GB: FF-L-M-H without memory would be my #1 choice, but I'll be happy also with H-M-L-FF with memory.

Firefly + 26650 will be a great combination. Runtimes up to what? 3 months?

For a primary firefly flashlight the A8 is a pretty hefty chunk. I always wear tactical pants, so I can handle a lot of gear. Bigger lights are no problem for EDC. The A8 really is a big weight that I am always aware of dragging down my pants. This is not an easy pocket carry light.

WWEFANS wrote:

NW XML T6>3C.  (cool white optional) 

So no U3 CW option? Just T6 CW?

_the_ wrote:

I'm in for some (two-three-four?), both options.

I have to agree with JM & GB: FF-L-M-H without memory would be my #1 choice, but I'll be happy also with H-M-L-FF with memory.

Firefly + 26650 will be a great combination. Runtimes up to what? 3 months?

cainn wrote:

You don’t have Trustfire A8, BLF Edition listed as an option. It’s what most people are asking for.

+1

JohnnyMac wrote:

Well, Rey could always just sell us the host without a driver and let us put our own in.  TrustFire will never install a Nanjg driver as they will want to use their own.  A Nanjg 105v2 will let us chose 2,3 or 5 modes, whether it starts out in high or in low, and whether it uses mode memory.  It even has moon low.  As a bonus we’d get true 3.04A output and very high PWM.  Offer the option to get one without a driver installed and drop a Nanjg v2 into the package for us do-it-yourselfers.  Offer the option of the complete light as planned for those who don’t/can’t mod.

Just thinking out loud and don’t expect Rey to take this serious.

+1

If I end up with this light, It’s a 90% chance I’m going to change the driver to a Nanjg105C anyway.

I guess if everyone is excited about start mode and memory I have to say I don’t know why.

If a light has memory that I can set, I generally set it for low. And invariably I have to ramp it up and then forget to reset it to low.

If it always starts on high, I want low and have to click through modes.

If it always starts on low, I want high and have to click through modes.

If it doesn’t have any memory, it will start one level past the one I want.

Sometimes, I won’t be sure of the level and will click through all of them once or twice anyway, just to be sure. Especially lights with moonlight where I have to look to see if it is on or off.

And finally, even with all these lights I will always pick up the wrong one for the start mode I prefer at the moment.

So does this include the 18650 tube or is that extra? The OP is ambiguous here.

Hello Rey,
this sounds really good. I hope to get my ordered Trustfire Minis (I think I’m the one, who ordered the most Minis) before this groupbuy will end. At the moment, I look every day in my postbox and hope to find the flashlights or the letter of the customer service.

I’m a tint snob, but even more I’m a UI snob, so actually I don’t care about the driver, as long as a NANJG105C fits, because I’m going to exchange it anyway and have whatever modes and memory I want. The downside is that this adds some cost.

Hi,

if it starts in firefly mode, I might get one, or at least the driver. But starting on high is a no go for me….

What makes this light interesting to me is the firefly mode with a super long run time. Without a mode memory and starting on high makes firefly almost useless to me. As a newbie flashaholic I am not sure I posses the skill set to do a driver swap yet. So I would probably pass on this torch. As it stands it seems the only difference between this and stock is the 3c emitter, a FF mode tacked onto the end, driven a tad bit more and BLF A8 printed on the side. Also having Trustfire A8 and BLF A8 on the same torch seems redundant. A8 should only be used once IMO. I.E. Trustfire A8 / BLF Edition.

Get a 50cent fauxton and run down the batteries if you need a dedicated firefly mode light. Look I just saved you $20+.

I’ll take 1 of option 2.

That includes the driver too? And is there any chance of AU charger plug?

agenthex wrote:

Get a 50cent fauxton and run down the batteries if you need a dedicated firefly mode light. Look I just saved you $20+.

Thanks for the suggestion, but that isn’t what I’m looking for. Let me simplify what I was trying to say.

AlexHH wrote:

Hi,

if it starts in firefly mode, I might get one, or at least the driver. But starting on high is a no go for me….

+1

I’m still in for one of these + 18650 battery tube – so long as it starts on HIGH. If I want almost no light I’ll use a lesser torch or a match. But when I want light I’ll go grab a torch

It has to be either:

- FF-L-M-H, no memory

or

- H-M-L-FF, with (working) memory

..because otherwise the firefly mode doesn't make any sense..

I'm in with either of those options, but not with "H-M-L-FF, no memory"

_the_ wrote:

It has to be either:

- FF-L-M-H, no memory

or

- H-M-L-FF, with (working) memory

..because otherwise the firefly mode doesn't make any sense..

 

I'm in with either of those options, but not with "H-M-L-FF, no memory"

+1 and "Trustfire A8" on one side, "BLF Edition" on the other side.  Having "A8" twice is redundant. 

-Garry

garrybunk wrote:

_the_ wrote:

It has to be either:

- FF-L-M-H, no memory

or

- H-M-L-FF, with (working) memory

..because otherwise the firefly mode doesn't make any sense..

 

I'm in with either of those options, but not with "H-M-L-FF, no memory"

+1 and "Trustfire A8" on one side, "BLF Edition" on the other side.  Having "A8" twice is redundant. 

-Garry

I will be ordering a copy of this light either way but for the record it is just plain ignorant to start a light with Firefly mode on High whether there is memory or not.  Starting on high when needing low can destroy night vision but starting on low hurts no one but those too lazy to give a couple quick half-presses and it doesn't really hurt them either, just their ego.  Many of us will be forced to swap out the driver and it's no big deal to me but it is a much bigger deal then just giving a couple quick half-presses to the button.  Others will live with the programming and complain. A handful will be happy as it is.

As for selling the driver separately don't count on selling many with the programming you've decided on.

But in the name of redundancy, "BLF A8" is redundant.  Please go with "BLF Edition" or, if it is a cost issue for the extra characters, go with "BLF Ed.".  

Sign me up for one of Option #1 in NW no matter what way it goes.  Both options include a holster, right?

JohnnyMac wrote:

I was just came back to this thread to post the same thing.  Great minds must think alike!

I will be ordering a copy of this light either way but for the record it is just plain ignorant to start a light with Firefly mode on High whether there is memory or not.  Starting on high when needing low can destroy night vision but starting on low hurts no one but those too lazy to give a couple quick half-presses and it doesn’t really hurt them either, just their ego.  Many of us will be forced to swap out the driver and it’s no big deal to me but it is a much bigger deal then just giving a couple quick half-presses to the button.  Others will live with the programming and complain. A handful will be happy as it is.

As for selling the driver separately don’t count on selling many with the programming you’ve decided on.

But in the name of redundancy, “BLF A8” is redundant.  Please go with “BLF Edition“ or, if it is a cost issue for the extra characters, go with “BLF Ed.“.  

Sign me up for one of Option #1 in NW no matter what way it goes.  Both options include a holster, right?

It just gets annoying having to scroll through modes you don’t want just to get to high. Which means such a light would sit on the shelf more than get used. I do see the other side of the coin, but when a torches primary existence is to produce light, it seems odd that some would want it in it’s least light giving mode as the first choice.

Besides if most of the people who want FF first are the people most likely to swap the driver out anyhow, why worry?