Who do you think will carry the new XML2 bare or with round base first? Hope I can get the highest bin in a nice tint like the 2B
I wonder if this is the reason Thrunite was blowing away the TN31 inventory…Hmmm
The change from 25C to 85C represents a more realistic approach to binning. Having said that… Crap, crap, double crap. I still haven’t finished my previous XML mods.
Mmm...xml2's....
Yes, I will have some of these as soon as they're available and will run a full test.
Love it! having no current spreaders will look nicer in aspheric.Cree is notorious for releasing higher bins later down the road,so I might wait for the better binned stuff to surface.Other companies are really floundering wirh their new stuff,especially SSC with their z series...fail.I'd like a few to play around with,even if they are lower bin first thing I would do is throw some in my outside security light.
i think it’s 20% more from about 20% efficiency —> 5% more energy into light 
since every new generation of cree leds seems to have a lower Uf this could be an interesting idea.
I’m going to read up on buck converters, i never liked the idea of burning off excess voltage in linear regulators.
Good move by CREE to recapture the miniscule Nichia 219 market
Been lazy about ordering a U3 on copper to pop in my HD2010, and it pays off!
Will be looking for the XML2 in high bin on copper now! Direct drive off a freshly charged king kong with a big jump in surface brightness, this should throw nicely.
Awesome! Did you order it from led-tech or IO?
Cheers!
This is awesome
Top notch information! Cant wait to see them in action.
80 CRI minimum in T4 bin at 4000K, looks and sounds sexy to me. T4 bin XM-L2 should compare nicely to T6 bin XM-L.
I wants one or 5
I was going to order from led-tech, but will be waiting for the XML2 on copper to be released after this news!
Is this a “real-world’ 20% increase in light output with an optimized reflector and driver? Or will it be realistically more or less?
For example, with the correct driver, let’s say a Fancy Fandy hoo-fire ke-hd-2010-5-897 now puts out 875 lumens with a T6. With an optimized driver and reflector, the comparable light with an xm-l2 will now put out 1050 lumens?
Lower Vf will definitely help the regulation in multi cell lights those can work with a single 18650, like Thrunite TN10-12
Whoops, misread your post. Sorry about that. 
Some german guy made some calculations.. vF actually got higher by about 46-76mV.
Basically vF decreases while temperature increases. As vF is now also rated at 85°C, its higher.
Where do you see lower Vf?
Maybe I’m wrong, but when I calculate with the old xm-l’s “temperature coefficient of voltage” which is –2.1mV/°C , I get 3.224V Vf at 3A and 85°C.
3.35V + (–2.1mV/°C * 60°C)= 3.224V
this value for the new xm-l2 is 3.35V
And because of the lower “temperature coefficient of voltage” of the new xm-l2, which is –1.6mV/°C, higher core temp means automatically higher Vf.
xml 2.0 is out? At this rate I’ll wait for 4.0 by then the Chinese Lumens will be correct on all flashlights.
Yeah, I think it’s something like that.
Although I believe that lumen ratings are weighted according to the human eyes’ response to the wavelength/power spectrum of the source, so taking into account that these LEDs are white they should really be compared to the theoretical maximum for white light (around 250lm/w) instead of the theoretical maximum for monochromatic 555nm green (683lm/w), which gives a value of about 40% luminous efficacy, meaning nearly 10% less heat.
Anyway, I wanted to put a positive spin on it
To be honest I don’t think the increase in heat from a linear driver will be more than that amount anyway. It’s only a small drop in vf, so it should about balance out heat wise.