Review: BTU Shocker (3 x XM-L T6 NW | 3 x 18650)

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indenial wrote:
Thrunite was worse…I bought the TN30 and TN31 before the huge price drop. It still hurts!

I can feel how bad is it.
Maybe yours are better in quality. Many China manufacturers don’t scrap or disassemble final product, they sort them into different quality category.

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Now dropping the price on a product is a deplorable thing to do.
If you decide that $180 is a good price and pull the trigger, why is a future price drop suddenly changing that?
Really, you’re just second-guessing your own decision; that’s not the vendor’s fault.
If you don’t like the price, don’t buy. Simple.

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Now dropping the price on a product is a deplorable thing to do. If you decide that $180 is a good price and pull the trigger, why is a future price drop suddenly changing that? Really, you're just second-guessing your own decision; that's not the vendor's fault. If you don't like the price, don't buy. Simple.

Il give YOU a Reason . "FALSE ADVERTISING" . The way it was advertised and even Reviewed .Buyers thought good lord this thing will beat  everything currently out there.

 

THIS IS THE REASON PEOPLE PAID $180 !!!

Specs:
◎3* Cree XM-L LED (U2) with a lifespan of 50,000 hours
◎Battery: 3 × 18650----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------  -CRAPPIEST HOME MADE LOOKING BATTERY  HOLDER ON A $180 LIGHT
◎204 mm (length) x 52 mm(body width) x106 mm(head diameter)
◎1200-gram weight (excluding batteries)
◎4 levels of brightness: Turbo (3.8A*3)>High(2.2A*3)>Med(0.8A*3)>Lo(0.05A*3);with mode memory
◎Brigh tness:Turbo(3000lumens)>High(2000lumens)>Med(600lu mens)>Lo(80lumens)-------------------- -ITS NOT 3000 LUMENS     
◎Digital Current Regulation
◎Capable of standing up securely on a flat surface to serve as a candle-------------------------------------------YEAH SURE ONE BUYS A 1 KG LIGHT TO BE A CANDLE
◎Tail cap click Switch-  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------SHITTY SWITCH (one dollar SWITCH) 
◎Made of durable aircraft-grade aluminum
◎ Super deep Aluminum Alloy Reflector;Shotrange up to 800meters------------------------------------------------DOES NOT THROW 800 METERS !! 
◎Premium Type III hard-anodized anti-abrasive finish
◎Toughened ultra-clear glass lens with anti-reflective coating ---------------------------------------------------------WHAT A LIE! (tests show lens is holding back 100 LUMENS)

AND MAY I ADD HORRIBLE CHEAP PARTS INSIDE IT

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I see three potentially valid points there:
The output was off by 400-600 lumens, off by more if you go with T6 NW.
The lens is not AR coated. I do hope Ric addresses this at some time in the future.
I believe the U2 version misses the throw mark by about 100m. Again NW will have less throw. The NW differences could be better documented on the listing.
The rest appear to be a matter of opinion, not fact.
The battery holder has been improved; mine came with the springs reversed which greatly improves the battery retention. I have no issues with it.
It tailstands, you can call it a candle or whatever you want, it still does tailstand.
I’ve had no issue with the switch, it has a very low on resistance (I tested it, like all my lights).

One thing is for sure, when it comes to spec matching, Ric is not getting much slack. Virtually every other vendor on the internet has VERY exaggerated specs and I do not see too much of an uproar over those. We come to expect it for something like a TR-J18 (6000lm is over double the actual), but the BTU gets beaten up over a 20% spec inflation which could simply be actual emitter lumens.

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These guys hate on the BTU so much it is almost suspicious. Who doesn’t lower prices? Go bark at Thrunite for a while. How about Nitecores on Fasttech? Ric MADE HIS OWN BRAND and created a light people wanted – a shortened TK70 that uses 18650. He made it cheaper ($180) and brighter than the TK70. When he got competition with the TK75 and abundance of multi-emitter lights recently he has promotions and price cuts to continue to sell his product.

DENGOH is just a Fenix fanboy mad at BTU for besting his beloved TK70 by “stealing” it’s head.

Shaquille however goes back and forth from love to hate with the light…. I don’t get it.

Skyray King was a direct copy and used to cost twice as much, I don’t see people blasting it except on the other forum.

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Tecmo wrote:
These guys hate on the BTU so much it is almost suspicious. Who doesn’t lower prices? Go bark at Thrunite for a while. How about Nitecores on Fasttech? Ric MADE HIS OWN BRAND and created a light people wanted – a shortened TK70 that uses 18650. He made it cheaper ($180) and brighter than the TK70. When he got competition with the TK75 and abundance of multi-emitter lights recently he has promotions and price cuts to continue to sell his product.

DENGOH is just a Fenix fanboy mad at BTU for besting his beloved TK70 by “stealing” it’s head.

Shaquille however goes back and forth from love to hate with the light…. I don’t get it.

Skyray King was a direct copy and used to cost twice as much, I don’t see people blasting it except on the other forum.

I am fanboy of good flashlight brands those don’t cheat. Not just Fenix, I buy Olight, Zebralight, BlackShadow, Trustfire, Ultrafire, Thrunite, Nitecore.
And I don’t think BTU besting TK70. They are at different level of quality standard and innovation.

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Shaquille, don’t get too upset with just a flashlight. I know how it feels when seeing those dirty or foggy lens. It is just annoying.
If you really can’t get over it, and if you didn’t modify your BTU at all and it is as good as new, then maybe rdrfronty can buy your BTU as I remember that is what he guaranteed for satisfaction, but it was one or two months ago.

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Again guys? Seriously? Haven’t we been there and done that, like 10 times already?

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I am not commenting on BTU. Just suggesting way out for Shaquille.

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Anyway, yes I’ll still hold my end of that deal. At least at the current pricing. I wouldn’t mind have a stock BTU and then another one that I could do some fun mods on.

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Already ordered u3 and its going under the knife end of this week.THIS ISN'T only ABOUT THE BTU .I STILL LIKE LIKE THE LIGHT .

I am talking about in general terms. He isn't being a good salesman .What im pissed of is - the massive price drop within a few weeks.  I'm saying imagine how customers who paid $180 feel upon seeing the same lighting selling for $120 WITHIN A FEW WEEKS .IS HE KIND OF ADMITTING THAT HE OVER PRICED THIS LIGHT??. He could have priced it at $120 and held on to that price for 1 year . I'm sure he opened up the light saw how things looked inside and had long discussions with the manufacturing factory and machine shops about the costs.the quality of parts inside. best pricing for long term sales. 

The SR90 still sells for 300 bucks plus . customers who bought it 2 years ago pay almost the same price as customers who will buy it today and so there a pride is holding the light even if you buy this few years old model

 

get what im saying???  I don't know how else to explain this. lets say you bought a BMW for 30 grand .next week your neighbor buys it for 20 grand from the same dealer . wouldn't you question the Dealer??? 

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Shaquille, I guess you didn’t notice that up until this weekend the BTU Shocker was on for $150 with a $50 credit at Fancyflashlights.com. Effectively, $100. That’s how much I paid for mine, as I’m sure others did too. Maybe you didn’t want to know that. Oops Wink
I would have also paid $120 straight up for it too.
I would not have paid $180 or $150 though. That’s not hindsight; I was looking at it when it was just $150 (no $50 credit), and passed on it.

Hypothetically, If I did happen to pay $180, I would be disappointed that I missed the future $150/$100/$120 price, but I would not be angry at or question the seller’s integrity. I decided that it was a good price for the light and a price drop later on will not change that decision.
Now, if the price dropped in the next week or so (i.e. before or just after receiving the product), I might contact the seller to see about getting a credit on their store.

Price drops tend to have the opposite effect on me. If I buy a product at a ‘regular’ price and I like what I get, when it goes on sale I’m tempted to order a second one. That may not happen with a big ticket item like the BTU, but it’s already happened with other lights (ex. HD2010, numerous SK68s).

I do hope that at some point your frustration passes and you can enjoy your BTU as much as I enjoy mine.

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so where is it sold for $120?

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It sounds like the XM LEDs won’t really be suitable for flashlight use. Pity…

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Shaquille wrote:
… lets say you bought a BMW for 30 grand .next week your neighbor buys it for 20 grand from the same dealer . wouldn’t you question the Dealer??? 

In this specific example, I’d be disappointed with myself, not the dealer… if I paid 30k for a 20k car I definitely did not do enough research on the car’s value ahead of time.

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Ok I found it now. http://budgetlightforum.com/node/19336

Yea, don’t feel so bad, if the seller is trying to lure more people into buying the remaining of this stock? It’s like same thing with computers. Some new unit comes up at a store.. for example best buy. It’s a real deal. Some smart folks find a cheaper middle man usually a third party website for 20-30 dollars cheaper. Finally Newegg or Tigerdirect has a sale equal to that middle man. After the initial buying etc… Price goes back up to the full retail price. 3-6 months later people wonder how did other people get such an item for so cheap.

Notable personal examples: 2002-04 off ubid.com

Got a 500 dollar sony flat screen for 250 dollars which retails for 500 dollars. 2-3 years later it comes out at best buy for roughly 233 dollars. Got my first 10MP Casio digital camera when in the us there were only 5-7MP cameras for under 300 dollars. Retails at high end stores for 500-700 dollars.

Modern examples: Best Buy Sandisk 32GB sdcard are 69.99 retail. Online at amazon from (sandisk) they are $33.56 and 58.11 at walmart. So if you bought it at Bestbuy and complain that you got rip off and want 2 of them, they probably think you’re crazy.

Don wrote:
It sounds like the XM LEDs won’t really be suitable for flashlight use. Pity…

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xtar 18650 protected..

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I will pay no more than $80

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Guess you’ll be waiting awhile then.

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Dale wrote:
Guess you’ll be waiting awhile then.

LOL. This thing rocks the TN31 as far as output goes, has almost identical throw, and costs less than the Thrunite already. I don’t get the hate.
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Anyone who doesnt have one loves to hate on them. Curious…

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Dale, I’m working on going your direction on the BTU. Maybe a step beyond. I’ve already got my copper sink pads, have XM-L2’s ordered from two different places – hopefully one will make it by the end of the month, but who knows.
And I think I have found a UCL lens for it too. I have it ordered anyway, just have to get it in, make sure it fits, and do comparison testing.
XM-L2 U2’s on copper sink pads, along with a UCL lens – I can see it being in the 3400-3600 otf range and would keep its lumens higher for longer with better heat dissipation. And all of that would be without any more stress on the batteries or runtime.
I assume nobody has has any XM-L2 U2’s on hand I could buy or borrow, so I don’t have to wait a month or whatever for mine to come in?

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People always pay more to be the first kid on the block with the latest toy.  Been that way forever.  Like any other retailer I know of, initial retail is always highest to capitalize on this fact.  Anyone who wants the best price waits a few months for the initial price to lower.  That's what most folks here did because they all knew it would happen.  It always does.  Sometimes it only takes a month, sometimes nearly a year.  I can understand you kicking yourself for being an early adopter, I know I'd be kicking myself too, but to get pissed at the seller is ridiculous.  Ric is a business man and is in the business of making a living, not giving stuff away.  He created this light and the BTU brand himself and worked to make the light a reality.  He has the right to make all the money he can off of his work.  As sales at $180 slow to a trickle you lower the price to get the next market segment who weren't ready to spend $180 but thought $150 was a great deal.  Now we are down to $120 and eventually we might see $100 and possibly even less.  You spending the $180 is no one's fault but your own.  Stop complaining.

Now the light not having an AR coated lens is a legitimate issue and Ric should either offer a partial refund for the false advertising or ship the advertised lens to all those who've bought the light and either ship an AR lens with all future sales or remove it from the advertised specs.  The rest of the light is just like advertised and you knew exactly what you were paying $180 for.

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Ah the 120 dollar is a has Dry drivers or Directdrive for 4.5 amps. Whereas the original had it’s own drivers.

Don wrote:
It sounds like the XM LEDs won’t really be suitable for flashlight use. Pity…

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I wanted to have it at that time and I have got it for the price it was sold then. I might be up for another one if the price goes below 100 bucks.

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feilox wrote:
Ah the 120 dollar is a has Dry drivers or Directdrive for 4.5 amps. Whereas the original had it's own drivers.

No, it has

BTU driver (current regulated, 3.8A)

or

DRY driver (direct-drive, up to 4.5A)

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M3TAL_L0RD wrote:

feilox wrote:
Ah the 120 dollar is a has Dry drivers or Directdrive for 4.5 amps. Whereas the original had it’s own drivers.

No, it has

BTU driver (current regulated, 3.8A)

or

DRY driver (direct-drive, up to 4.5A)


I ordered the standard BTU driver, and I’d recommend that. It’s resistor mod capable to get up to 4+ amps anyway. This way you know what current you are getting. Most people report that it’s not a huge jump anyway.

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Relic, you have any details on the doing the resistor mods. I assume that’s what dale did to his, but just don’t know much about it. If I can get the XM-L2’s on copper sink pads, they should be about to safely handle a little more amps before getting to hot. 4.2A or so would be killer!
And if you do the resistor mod, do you think it will do the little step down like you have observed?

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If you need 4+ amps per LED, You can get only 1-5 minutes.
Because 3×18650 Vin and all LED Vf aren’t much different.
other factor… V sag , Driver and Springs V drop …..

That why I still not to pull the trigger!!! (May be I will If BTU come with 4×18650s battery tube)

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So… the light doesn’t have an AR lens, contrary to its advertisement?

BLF ≠ B-grade Flashlight Forum

 

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Pok wrote:
If you need 4+ amps per LED, You can get only 1-5 minutes.
Because 3×18650 Vin and all LED Vf aren’t much different.
other factor… V sag , Driver and Springs V drop …..

That why I still not to pull the trigger!!! (May be I will If BTU come with 4×18650s battery tube)


Well I still don’t mind the stock 3.6-3.8a range. With the XM-L2’s on copper, with UCL lens it still should in the mid 3000’s.
Not sure if you saw my BTU clip, but it was still was doing about 2500otf after almost 22min kept on turbo almost the full time. My 3400mah protected Keeppowers were reading about 3.84V after I stopped the test. So driven at stock levels, with copper sinkpads and XM-L2 U2’s and UCL or ar lens, I would expect it to stay above 3000otf on turbo until batteries are depleted. Likely, what 30-40min at that level before the batteries get too low? Anyway, good enough for me. I didn’t take buy this light to take on long hikes and such. Besides after modding even after it kicks down, it should have perhaps a 2300-2500 lumen high, and with that it should last a good hour on good cells.
Plus with this planned upgrade, it might get another 50meter throw if I’m lucky.

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