TR-J18 upgrade options?

That J18 must be sayin: Feed Me! Feed Me!

It's amazing it even works!

@Tom E.

Thank you for your reply.

I have to correct my previous post. The batteries are AA and NOT AAA.

So do you think I will see an increase in lumens and lux?

You are greatly under driving it, even with AA's, so the light is probably ok. Others may know more exactly what's going on with driving it at that voltage, but my best guess it will be ok, and yes, you should see a lot more lumens and lux. Think mine did over 3,000 stock with 3 TrustFire 26650 5000's - definitely brighter than a good, stock SRK.

Hum… slight problem……

I got my KD driver, Got it installed and. … um… nothing…… it won’t work…

If anybody has any ideas what it could be… please let me know… here’s what I did…

Removed the old driver (just cut the 2 wires). soldered the new kd driver in… red to red… black to black.

Removed the center spring from the old driver… soldered to the centre of the new driver (added braid).
Added braid to the tail cap spring…… put everything back together… “nothing”.

Looking at the driver… I am assuming that the outside “ring” of contact is the negative and the inside center is positive. The large outer spring seems to be not making contact… so… soldered the large outside spring to the top contacts… no luck still…

Looked again… “maybe” the negative is the contact on the BOTTOM of the driver…. found a contact that bridged down… added a bit of braid to connect to the bottom contact (outer ring of the driver)… still no luck.

What I did notice tho is that with the tail cap off and batteries in… if I try and “jump” the battery to the battery tube, I do get a “tiny” spark… which is telling me that something is trying to work.

Few things I guess I wanted to see if anybody could clear up.

a) is the negative contact the on the top or the bottom of the driver (or is it both).
b) do you think it is a driver problem?? or do you think it’s a problem with the batteries (trust fire flames 3000mah… they did work before fine before the light went dim all of the sudden… prompting me to swap drivers).

Johnny, did you ever get the issues ironed out on this light? If it still doesn't work, try posting some photos of the work you did. Also, the KD drivers have a slight delay when using the tailcap or taking current measurements with the tailcap removed. Also, what batteries are you using. If it's assembled correctly, it could also be the cells are not powerful enough to drive the light.

Wish I saw this yesterday. The TF 3000's are notorious for switching off under high amps demands - I got a few. They are fine under lower loads. I had older good 3000's, and seen the newer ones switch off, so maybe that's what you are seeing?

As of right now, I didn’t manage to get the light working yet. When I get home tonight I will post some pictures of what I have done so far.

As for the batteries… I do have a sneeky feeling that could be the problem. Sometimes the light will flash (very very very dimly) before it shuts off…I mean just a quick flash and I have to have the room lights off to see it…. prompting me to think that it’s a battery issue.

I guess my next question is…… if shopping for batteries on a budget… what would you guys recomend. I perfer to have something protected for a piece of mind and in 18650’s. I am willing to step up to 26650’s if necessary but it would mean I need to get a charger too :frowning:

Hi Johnny,

I have to go out for a few hours. Let's all get back to this tonight and see if we can all help get your light shining bright.

As Tom mentioned, you should stop using those batteries, they'll never work in that light. I know we are all on a budget, but care must be taking when purchasing batteries for these high power lights. Perhaps the flashlight could be considered budget. However, budget batteries will only cost you more money in the long run, or something much worse.

I'm using the TF 5000 26650's in mine (from FastTech), still relatively cheap but more power - this light w/updated driver needs Power. It's saying Feed Me! Richie makes a good point - this is a high powered light, you need batteries to match that. With multi cells in series like this light, they should be protected and with good power. I wouldn't suggest using 18650's in it, but if you have to, something like KeepPowers would do well. Wait until Richie checks back though, maybe more views as well.

Same here, I use the Fasttech TF Flame 26650 in high powered lights too. I will note that they are not 5000mAh, actual capacity is 4000mAh.
As for the charger, you have some options out there.
Good 18650 cells could do just fine too, and will keep things a bit lighter. Since the 26650s mentioned are about $16/pair, they may be the best value for this beast of a light. You would need two pairs, so $32, plus a charger. The ML-102 from Fasttech works (just barely) and at $7 it keeps you just under $40 for the power source.
A nice 26650 charger is available from I-O and the price is real nice too.

I have the ML-102 but not the I-O one so I cannot speak to the quality of it.

Haha, ok… I guess the first step would be to retire those 18650 flames…. and get something more decent without completely killing the bank…….

I guess my current plan would be to get a set of 26650 TF flames combined with a Xstar SP2 charger. I have a habit of charging batteries overnight and unplugging in the morning…. thus… I MUST have protected cells + a charger that will shut off. I’m currently using a xstar WP2 II charger and am happy with it.

With the ugpraded drivers, will the 26650 TF flames have trouble with shutting off during high draw applications?

My J18 is doing just about 5,000 lumens measured on 3 TF 26650's. On 2 TF 26650's, the driver takes less power. So, I don't see a problem with them in either configuration. I don't recall what the amps tailcap measurement was though.

OK back home now and managed to snap a few pictures… let’s see if this will help.

First picture is of the head, fully put together

This is the KD driver, sitting in the flashlight.

This is the springs attached to the driver.
I soldered the center spring to the centre gold pad. I soldered the big outside spring to two of the 4 outside contact pads.

When it did not work, I was not sure if the contact was on the BOTTOM of the driver so… looked at the bottom of the driver. Found a link that went to the stop, and soldered a little bit of copper braid down to that point.

Another shot of that “connection” I made to the bottom ring of the driver

Final shot of the driver connected to the flashlight.

One final question. I looked on fastech and they have
TrustFire 26650 3.7V “5000mAh” Rechargeable Li-ion Batteries (2-Pack)
but when ordering, it gives me a drop down option for the
TrustFire 26650 3.7V 4000mAh Protected Rechargeable Li-ion Batteries (2-Pack)

The one I want is the first 5000mAh correct? and these cells should be protected?
http://www.fasttech.com/products/1420/10000901/1076400

Get the ones with the red/gold trim, labeled at 5000, but actual capacity they state is 4000 mah. The 4000 labeld ones I've never seen/heard of before. Both are protected.

Jonney,

The photos look good. The only thing to be careful about is the amount of copper wire on the +B spring. I’ve found if that spring becomes to tight or firm, it can put dents in the top of the battery. If you see this happening, I’d desolder that spring and simply replace it with a new one. It can also cause the batteries to not fit correctly too when trying to screw the tail cap down. So please be aware of these things.

Thanks Richie086, On the B+ spring I only soldered the copper onto the driver. the braid is just wrapped on the end of the spring (where the cap sits). I did it this way so the spring still “works” and is not rock hard :slight_smile:

I guess the next thing to try is the batteries. I ordered a new set of 26650 TF flames off fastech and a new sp2 charger off ailexpress…. should be here in a few week. Hopefully that will fix everything… Fingers Crossed :slight_smile:

I will keep everybody posted… and THANK YOU everybody that helped.

Another update:

I got the trustfire flames 26650 today…. they where showing about 3.7 - 3.8v when I got them (sorry, I have a really old analogue meter which is not very accurate). Popped them into the flash light and … um… NOTHING… DOH…

As I don’t have my sp2 charger yet, I stuck the 26650’s into my WP2 II charger (one at a time) set at 1A charge…. with 2 full batteries…. NOTHING….

the 3rd battery is now charging… I will try again tomorrow when the last battery is full and see if there is any improvements… sigh.

Nope, the light does not work… with any batteries…. quick summary of what has happened.

I had some 18650 flames (3000 mah)… it worked… for about a week…. then the light got really dim. I mean…. maybe 400lm OTF on high… my el-cheapo single T6 light could easily outshine it….

This prompted me to think, the driver burned out (a few cases of this on BLF)…. so I ordered the customer programmed IO driver.

got that installed (as per pictures above)… and the light would not turn on…… if I have all the lights off in the room… and I bypassed the switch… I might get a very very very faint flash.

Figured it was the protection circuit in the TF flames (18650) not giving the light enough current… so … ordered some 26650 flames…

which brings me to today…… got 2 cells charged as of now and it won’t turn on at all… not even a flash. I tried by-passing the tail cap and still no luck at all…… I will have the 3rd cell charged by tomorrow morning (using a xstar wp2 charger which is not really setup to charge 26650’s… this is taking forever… LOL).

so… as i stand… I have a $150 beating stick… for “just in case” I get attacked…

Maybe order one of the KD drivers for it and toss the stock driver out. TomE has had great results modifying his.

I Think TomE ordered the driver from I-O and Jonney_boy got his driver from KD. is that rhight?? I ordered one from I-O but it has not arrived yet. Mine was just about as bright as my SKR but now does not turn on at all.