hey guys here is the new design sinkpad sent me and here is the last thread about the other XML/XPG 16mm sinkpads
post anything u like lol
I like it.
Looks good. Iām assuming the XML looks the same but sized for XML. How much per board now that we went with their āgenericā labeling. Iām assuming no more tooling cost?
No tooling cost, I have not got a reply back on price
Correct me if Iām wrong, but the lithography is something like:
First: The entire surface is covered by the dielectric.
Second: A copper film is sputtered by a mask of the green drawing.
Third: A second layer of dielectric is deposited by a mask of the inverse of the purple drawing (or deposited and then etched by a mask of the purple drawing?).
But after that the center heat contact would still have a layer of dielectric that would need to be removed, right? In that case would drawing need indicate that the center is always masked off from the dielectric deposition?
Also on that subject, Iām wondering if the cheaper chinese copper stars could have the unwanted dielectric simply removed with an X-acto?
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I think you need to play hardball on price, if they are going to make 30k units for other sales anyway, then you canāt let them build the tooling cost into the unit price. Since the 20mm cost like 1.50 each and this has less material, i think a similar price is reasonable, especially since its still a slight premium
As far as Iām concerned, theyāre criminal. Let someone else design it, charge them to set it up, then take their name off and replace it like itās your own design from the get go and profit on it without the set-up. Criminal. That big bold SinkPADtm states boldy that itās theirs, when we know better. I get really hacked on matters of principal and this one stinks.
I gotta bow out. Not supporting that behaviour, sorry Nitro. Just donāt like em doing that to you and to Pilot and canāt support that at all.
Makes me wonder who designed the boards Vesture bought?
Is this company in the states? I donāt think theyād get away with that here. Did anyone see the school up North that was trying to claim that any drawing, any design, created by students or teachers whether at school or at home as long as it involved a school project was property of the school? Got shot down pdq! For us, thatās unconstitutional. Copyright infringement and itās a big deal in a court of law. Especially where large profits are to be made.
Again, I apologize to you Nitro and for bailing on the project that Pilot worked hard on, just canāt do it. Wonāt do it.
What are you talking about?
They are from calli, Iām not to sure what Iām going to do, maybe just wait till they come out with them ? PPtk did a amazing job on the board but I had no idea that they would change the hole design to benefit them and there sales, I just wanted to post what they changed
I for got to add the 20mm sinkpad was cheaper because it was another persons design (like PPtk) and made for say 20K boards and we bought them with no added fees and tooling that the designer had to pay
But this is no longer a custom order, they are going to make who knows, maybe millions of more boards then you are buying from them from the same design, we gave them free labour.
Maybe i am just overtired, but when you design something for someone elses benefit you have to pay them to make profit from others?
When i buy food from the grocery store they donāt double the price for my stuff so they can make more profit from the next guy in line
very nice design !!!
and the other one.
and the other one.
and the one before that..
Maybe you could cut that newest picture into 3 parts and start a thread for all 3 LOL!!!
I'm just bustin' your chops nitro. 
I couldnt resist.
Thanks again for putting in the time and effort on these.
I was afraid that they would alter the solder pad lay-out or the rings. It is all still there, I like this board! (I assume the center solder pad is still a direct connection to the copper core). With 'BLF' on it would have been perfect, but I'm alright with 'Sinkpad', the design is enough BLF-signature for me.
+1 if the center solder pad is still direct to copper core, I like it and I'm in for xml and xp-g boards.
I read the previous discussion thread and totally agree that they should reward author of this design, if they are going to use it in further production, it would be normal and correct.
I don't know much about what it takes to build pcb's but I'm sure, as it was written in another posts, about 1000 pieces is negligible from Sinkpad's point of view of making money and every customization for little amounts need to be extra paid. So with Sinkpad or BLF logo, they will be just as good I think. If we can get them without paying extra fees with Sinkpad logo, that would be plus.
Nitro thanks for your effort you put into this, appreciate it. Let us know the final price from Sinkpad on these pads. Also thanks PilotPTK for design, it's really smart.
Wow, they kept the design the same, interesting, better than I expected. Maybe our (actually PPtk's) reward is no tooling cost 
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Are we still moving forward with this?
Well, they looked good though. Iāll look forward for more designs. :nerd_face: