Hypocrisy? Bias? Naaahhhh!

Just one more hi generalizing the whoooooooooooooooooooooole world from the educational level of a corndog. Chinese vendors suck…. Then stay at McDonalds.

Unfortunately I see it as kind of like Chinese lumens and Chinese mAh: they are overestimated by multiples, but you have to deal with them to get cheaper output for the money. Now you can make them behave better by imposing penalties if they grossly dont satisfy, but then the price goes up (like buying through Amazon)…but I still like my Chinese overestimated lights!

The problem that I see most fail on here (and most humans) on ratings/favorites is statistics and their significance: “I had X experience, therefore this company is at fault/faultless. So you must be wrong or unreasonable to say otherwise.” <— actually this is completely WRONG, and statistically it means NOTHING. You can have a great experience from a sh1tty company who does most things wrong but you lucked out, and you can have a crappy experience from a great company who usually does everything right but failed on something for your order, or you got the new/temper-mental customer service agent, etc. NO company ALWAYS ships fast/delivers faultless products/has great customer service that I’ve heard of. You can also get lucky/unlucky with your buddies and have several experiences “confirming” your experience and still be overall wrong.

What people should do with reviews and recommendations instead is make a “mental note” of them, also assess the reviewer, and then go find as many as they can and see how many of which kind they note. But instead, its usually “my buddy says its good/bad, so thats the right answer”… which is completely wrong in view of getting correct information, but everyone’s tendency :slight_smile: I’d just try not to get upset about it, and do some assessment, look around and buy from the ones you have most evidence are good compared to price…or buy elsewhere where something forces them to provide better service and places external rules on them or penalizes them for acting badly. In the US we have attorneys that do that, not in China…

Aww man, it suddenly gets back on topic just when I wanted to say we are currently getting a dose of freezing rain and sleet.
Just trying to get back on the weather topic. :stuck_out_tongue:

RR-ed !

Opposite of…

yeah, we have a winter storm warning going tomorrow too.
and i have $50 ebay gift card i cannot for the life of me spend. either its something i can get way cheaper away from ebay, or its something that can wait, or its not really something i need…
looking at a sog seal pup elite straight edge, but i would need to pay out more than the gift card.
looking at a parts kit for my new omnifuel, but figure that can wait.
looked at a soldering station, but rip off on ebay.
looking at a couple heat exchange pots for my camp stoves, but dont really need them right now.
looking at a rebuild kit for my optimus 8r… you know.

whats the weather like in kentucky anyways?

Speaking of crazy drivers, I thought a Buck driver was a deer with a driver's license and a boost driver was the guy behind the wheel of a stolen car. That would make a Buck/Boost driver a deer with a stolen car. Oh, dear.......

Linear? Well that's a whole different story.

Wow, a deer driving a car? Maybe it sounded like this singer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN75im_us4k

why did the chicken cross the road?

what light did the chicken EDC?

Deer Drives Car

Deer are amazing! They can even internet:

The driver will buck the voltage of a 14500 until Vbattery drops below the Vf of the Nichia at 1A then boost until depleted. With an eneloop the driver will boost the whole time.

While in buck mode the current into the driver will be less than the current out. While in boost mode the current into the driver will be greater than the current out.

The op was a tad inflammatory with its references to hypocrisy and shills but at least it wasn’t defensive. I just checked in to see who had some funny bits to go off topic with.

It’s ok to me. We don’t need moderator yet for this post. BLF is more tolerant compare to other forums.

kronological, good you are calm down now. To me it is okay to argue occasionally, but must do it with solid points. Of course, some just hate to see arguments.
And some member might have bad experiences with certain vendors so they are against those vendors. If a vendor is good, others will defend that vendor. So it is vendors’ responsibility to please their customers with good price and good service, and build good relationship in long terms. For example, Rick who sell BTU without AR coated lens got spared by most members here even BTU came without AR coated lens. That is relationship saved him out. If a new vendor did that, sure that vendor will be “attacked” in many post for very long time.

I’ve gone through this post repeatedly and sympathise with the Krono. There are many products in the world with good and bad histories. Doesn’t matter where they proliferate from. However the differences are seen when it comes down to having a good business plan or not. That determines quality and staying power of the products offered. Esp post WW2 when the global economy recovered. Take for example domestic products. See how the Japs made good with most home electronics and vehicles (oddly why they didn’t pick up on flashlights). EU and US came up with some good vehicles and office equipment too. Looks like the dominant ones that survived in the end had some plan in mind from the beginning. Now if only the many **fire factory owners had some clue about where they want themselves, brand and products to end up in future.

its a different mindset in doing business, if the company fails they can rebrand and try again, or go into the next industry
then rinse and repeat

Quite true. Recycled flashlight factories and their businessmen abound in China. They just pick themselves up again and launch a start-up in another guise. Or somebody will just take-over where they left off. But a few brands still remain through the years (Solarforce, Fenix, etc). Something good must have been going well there. Other than determination, there could be something about a corporate vision/mission involved in their formula. Seems a waste to change it if these brands are achieving a certain level of quality. This kind of success can’t be happening by chance.