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Looking for lights that "out-shines" itself for its size

Hi,

What I meant by the subject was lights that when you try them, have output that is way more than you’d expect, either throw or flood (or both), mainly based on its size. I think that most of you here would know what I mean.

Example: When I got my Zebralight SC52, I thought “Boy, this is tiny”, but when I turned it on in high-high with a 14500, I went “Wow!”.

Counter-example: I recently got a Zebralight SC100 MkII, expecting similar “Wow” performance as the SC52, but when I tried it, was somewhat disappointed. It’s definitely bright, don’t get me wrong, but not for its size when you compare it to the SC52.

I’ve gotten a number of lights, and have been similarly disappointed. They’re bright, but not “surprisingly” bright. The only other exception is probably the HD Defiant Super Thrower, and that one is probably not so much because of its size, but because of its price ($23 USD).

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The little ReyLight Bonny that some of us recently got is bright for it’s size, and so is the ET D25C.

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Tank007 TK-703 on 10440s. Well-designed SMO reflector, EZ-900 XR-E; it's a great thrower for it's size. It has a couple of major design flaws that render it a much less useful light though.

  1. No Protected 10440 support.
  2. Spring on postitive end instead of negative end making it impossible to use 10440s without a spacer.


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Zebralights are some of the best and hard to beat. But there are a couple that spring to mind….

Trustfire mini-01 / BLF mini on 16340. about 500 lumens IIRC, not much bigger than the cell itself. heavy tho, because its SS.

Peak Eiger on fresh 10180 or 10440 is surprisingly bright. I think about 300 lumen?

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keltex78 wrote:

Tank007 TK-703 on 10440s. Well-designed SMO reflector, EZ-900 XR-E; it’s a great thrower for it’s size. It has a couple of major design flaws that render it a much less useful light though.

  1. No Protected 10440 support.
  2. Spring on postitive end instead of negative end making it impossible to use 10440s without a spacer.

I use 10440’s OK without a spacer.

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Quark Cr2 mini, 180 lumens out of a really tiny light.

When talking about the D25c with XML, there’s only one year where they made a direct drive model that does 700+ lumens on an rcr123.
The new xml2 model isn’t as bright as last years due to a new driver from what I’ve read.

The Nitecore Ec1 throws really good for its size

I’m glad I’m not the only flashlight collector out there, I was beginning to think I was strange.
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Hi All,

I’ll take a look at your suggestion, but FYI, I do have a D25A Ti clicky, got about the same time as the SC52, and that was disappointing, even on 14500s. Is the D25C that much better than the D25A clicky?

I also have a mini-02 coming from the recent Aurabuy deal. Is the Reylight different from the mini-02?

Thanks,
Jim

P.S. I wasn’t limiting the question to JUST small lights. I’d also be interested in larger lights that out-perform their size. I can’t think of an example at this point though :(…

P.P.S. Also, either flood or throw, not limited to just throw.

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Mini-01 is different body from mini-02 but I believe internals and performance are supposed to be similar. Should put out about 400-500 lumen on fresh li-ion. (Noticeably more than the SC52.)

Not sure why you were disappointed with the D25A? It is sort of similar to the SC52, but a bit different. Same class, similar output, etc. You’re not going to find another AA light that totally blows away the SC52.

I’m happy to help, but I’m having some doubts that you will find what you are looking for. As I said before, the SC52 is an extremely good light and pretty hard to beat. Having some trouble thinking of suggestions…..

Maybe a Skyray King / UV-S5 clone for a wall of light from a cokecan-sized package? Its 4×18650 if you are not familiar.

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Yes the D25c I’m talking about, has 200-300 lumens on the D25a of the same year. They used different drivers. The d25c was the only one that got it, and for maybe one year of production. The new ones don’t, its be brighter than the sc52 and the d25a by 200 lumens. Selfbuilt did a review, its easy to find online.

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As CH wrote, the 2012 D25C XM-L is extremely powerful on a 3.7v 16340. The new (late 2012 – current) driver has less output on the same battery, but supposedly retains all modes and must have a longer runtime on “turbo.”

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Or better yet…. instead of the SRKing…. the zebralight sc6330 – tiny handfull of 3×18650 3xU3 badness!!

http://www.zebralight.com/S6330-Triple-18650-Triple-XM-L-2400Lm-Flashlight_p_104.html

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VFMaddict wrote:

keltex78 wrote:
Spring on postitive end instead of negative end making it impossible to use 10440s without a spacer.

I use 10440's OK without a spacer.

Maybe they've changed the design since I bought mine several years ago. As my 10440s are all shrink wrapped with the wrap extending around the corner on the negative end of the cell, they are unable to make contact with the flat contact on the tailcap switch. I had to use a small battery spacer to make contact until I finally disassembled the light and moved the spring to the switch.


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It sounds like the XM LEDs won’t really be suitable for flashlight use. Pity…

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Haterade wrote:
Mini-01 is different body from mini-02 but I believe internals and performance are supposed to be similar. Should put out about 400-500 lumen on fresh li-ion. (Noticeably more than the SC52.)

Not sure why you were disappointed with the D25A? It is sort of similar to the SC52, but a bit different. Same class, similar output, etc. You’re not going to find another AA light that totally blows away the SC52.

I’m happy to help, but I’m having some doubts that you will find what you are looking for. As I said before, the SC52 is an extremely good light and pretty hard to beat. Having some trouble thinking of suggestions…..

Maybe a Skyray King / UV-S5 clone for a wall of light from a cokecan-sized package? Its 4×18650 if you are not familiar.

Haterade,

Maybe I worded what I said unclearly. I am not disappointed in the SC52 at all. I love it, and it’s the only (unmodded) light that has really “Wowed” me aside from the DST.

As for the D25a Ti clicky… It may be hard to explain… I did side-by-side comparison of the D25A Ti clicky and the SC52 after I had both in-hand, and every time I do that, I still think “That SC52 is really bright”, but, for the D25A, it’s more like “it’s ok”. Again, hard to explain. I know from those side-by-side sessions that the D25A is more throwy and the SC52 is more floody, but even then, I keep finding myself impressed by the SC52, and not-so-much by the D25A. Sorry if I’m not explaining very well :(…

Maybe where I’m coming from is because where I started. When I started, I was mainly interested in smaller lights, only AA and AAA, and I thought that I’d never get into any other formats. But then, I got a couple of 18650, which opened up a bunch of lights, but even then, I’ve avoided the physically large lights (the DST is again an exception, mainly because I ran across garrybunk’s gigantic thread, and I happened to be in Home Depot after that).

I guess that I’m hoping to keep things that way, i.e., not start trying/getting physically gigantic lights, so I keep trying different lights within my admittedly vague “size parameter”, but maybe that effort is futile, and maybe the SC52 is the best that can be done within those parameters, and, maybe I need to start looking for “bigger” lights, but/so I figured that I’d throw the question out there via this post/thread.

Thanks,
Jim

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Well, check out the suggestions listed already…

Also thinking maybe the Nitecore EA4? About 900 lumen on 4xAA. Very compact.

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The Olight i1 on RCR123s has always impressed me.

Same goes for the Xtar WK21 Meteor. 

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I’m in the process of assembling one of these with parts supplied by Chicago x.

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/6140

considering its about the diameter of and shorter than a 2d maglite tube, 3000 ish lumen should be fun 8)

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If you pick up a hid FF3 you will get that feeling back. There aren’t too many lights that still give that wow feeling, but that would be one of them. I don’t know anything currently as impressive. 4000 real lumens and 225k lux in a beer can. There is nothing in this size available that comes close to that ratio or the numbers individually.

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And it’s slightly bigger brother, the FF4 comes out next month. 60watt hid

I’m glad I’m not the only flashlight collector out there, I was beginning to think I was strange.
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I have to say I was pretty impressed with the output of my Nitecore EC25, nice UI, just wish it had a lower low. for a budget option the Ultra Fire HD 2011 is crazy bright for its size and price($12), but gets hot really fast on high.

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Another vote for the EC1. If you like floody lights then the Convoy S3 is a great candidate with the 2.8A driver and U2 1B emitter. Its a much better host than the UF2100 or HD2011.

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Haterade wrote:
Well, check out the suggestions listed already…

Also thinking maybe the Nitecore EA4? About 900 lumen on 4xAA. Very compact.

Yes, yes, am doing (going through the suggestions). I’m a bit overwhelmed though, so many choices :)…

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JohnnyMac wrote:

Another vote for the EC1. If you like floody lights then the Convoy S3 is a great candidate with the 2.8A driver and U2 1B emitter. Its a much better host than the UF2100 or HD2011.

JohnnyMac,

I hadn’t been too interested in the “tube” lights, until I just “accidentally” got an A8 last week (“accidentally”, because I got it for the tube, to try with a DST). Speaking of Convoy, I have one of the Convoy C8s from FT, the one with the 8*7135s. How does that do? It took FT like 5 days to ship, the first time it took them so long, but naturally, it was the order with the Convoy C8 :(!!

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The FF3 is tiny. Here it is next to a 2D MagLed.

This is a white wall shot comparing the 2. 2D MagLED on tightest focus.

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Chicago X wrote:

The Olight i1 on RCR123s has always impressed me.

Same goes for the Xtar WK21 Meteor. 

I’ve been interested in the WK-21, when I saw it on md-lightsource.com when I was buying a Crelant (Mark has it on sale, for like $29). I really tempted to put it into the cart, but removed it at the last minute. Do you have one? And have you done anything with the mode programming? The things I’ve read are that it’s very floody, with very little throw?

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lawallac wrote:
The FF3 is tiny. Here it is next to a 2D MagLed.

This is a white wall shot comparing the 2. 2D MagLED on tightest focus.
!https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lgOlh4_d_28/UYBkRuScqtI/AAAAAAAAB-M/x...!

Hi,

I’ve seen the recent threads about the FF3/FF4, but didn’t really check them out, so sorry for the stupid question, but do these use bulbs?

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HID capsule bulb.

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ohaya wrote:
Do you have one? And have you done anything with the mode programming? The things I've read are that it's very floody, with very little throw?

Due to the size of the reflector vs. the size of the LED, it is destined to be more floody than not.  At around 450-500 lumen, it still has some punch as a close- to mid-range light.

The mode programming is as simple as bridging two small contacts with anything conductive: wire glue, pencil graphite, or solder for a more permanent solution.

I have mine set as a three-speed, L-M-H.

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Mag54656, 2D MagLED, FF3

The Mag64656 is said to put out 14-17,000 Lumens… but it’s huge 7 26650s. To me it’s amazingly bright and puts out enough heat to warm up people 20ft away, but due to the size the wow factor isn’t there. But that said it is awesome. I keep several unmodified Mags just so I remember what normal is. That said the FF3 is the real deal. The soon to be released FF4 will be something like 5mm larger and a larger SMO reflector but also has a low 24w, 40w, and turbo 60w. But when I’m looking for something that’s a bit more practical because of shorter runtimes of the HIDs, I’m a huge fan of the wicked MagMods at LambdaLights. I think I have about 15 or so of those and they all still have that effect you get when you get a light that put you in awe once again.

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Chicago X wrote:

ohaya wrote:
Do you have one? And have you done anything with the mode programming? The things I’ve read are that it’s very floody, with very little throw?

Due to the size of the reflector vs. the size of the LED, it is destined to be more floody than not.  At around 450-500 lumen, it still has some punch as a close- to mid-range light.

The mode programming is as simple as bridging two small contacts with anything conductive: wire glue, pencil graphite, or solder for a more permanent solution.

I have mine set as a three-speed, L-M-H.

Do you happen to have an SC52 or SC600 (or MKii)? How does it compare a high? I think that the SC600 MKII is suppose to be “900 lumens”, but at least to me, on high-high, and on 18650, it seems just barely brighter than my SC52 on 14500, even outdoors, at night. I’ve heard otherwise, but I’m wondering if there’s something wrong with my eyes (night vision problems?).

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I don't have either of those Zebralights, only the SC80. 

The WK21 crushes it in output, but the ZL has a much lower low. 

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