Saik SA-305 rebuild. The Fat Flooder!

I LOVE it! Thanks for sharing!

-Garry

What an awesome job! Can we see a pic of the completed head with all the emitters peeping out like a mini-Apex?

awesome, I love your mods r86 8)

Thanks guys… That is nice to hear. :slight_smile:

Ill post more build pictures if I come across some of the ones I think are lost…
Anyway… I just took a new one for you (guys). :slight_smile:

It used to look quite good (I know, its hard to believe). But the plastic glue made it look very ugly and uneven, especially around the TIRs. I can fix it fairly easy though. I also think (painted) black plastic would look better. When that is said. I got some nice brushed aluminium that I could use instead if the plastic lens. Would be better to redo it with that. Would look sweet and have better heatsinking. Especially if i made some aluminum rods to the pill and JB-welded it togheter. No issues with de-domed leds… :stuck_out_tongue:

Maybe others have recommendations for alternative TIR optics that I can try?
I have this one… It was so cheap, I had to buy it… 0:) But would probably need 10mm MCPCBs that needed to be modified. And specs says 40-degree, which is probably best suited for indoor spotlights. Im looking for more throw, not less.

Ficken awesome creation!

Very nicely done.

Very nice build RaceR86. You certainly have made a flood monster. l think if you could get a 10 degree TIR it would still have a heap off flood with a bit more throw. I have just received the heavy springs from IOS which I havent tested yet but I reckon they would handle this current ok.

wow! nice

It looks like youve put that lathe to good use. Great mod!

Do you know of a (good) source for 10 degree XP-G TIR optics?
Anyone?

Yeah. I used one of the ones I mentioned in the the spring thread.
http://www.cnqualitygoods.com/goods.php?id=1127
Very beefy. I doubt it should have any issues. Looks to be the same as the “A” spring from IOS.

Carlco should carry something for the XP-G. I use the 10 degree from Fasttech (for XM-L), but they seem to work fine for Nichia and XP-G too.

Who puts five leds into a single light? Surprised You modders are crazy.Tongue Out

If you get the TIRs to fit tight in the holder, you can lay it upside down and run some epoxy around them. It's thick enough that it should not leak if the seams are fairly tight.

Great build. Keep 'em coming!

Thanks for the suggestion and info Old-Lumens.
Carlco carries lots of stuff, but I don’t know a good place to buy their stuff.
I browsed their webpage, was not able to find anything within about the same size (small enough to fit 5 emitters in my light) that I would consider.

Old-Lumens, you meant the 10 degree XR-E optic?? Or do you see something I dont see.
http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10001329/1108201-10-degree-angle-optical-condenser-lensoptic-for-cr

I see they also have 8-degre optics (with holders)
http://www.fasttech.com/products/1606/10001329/1250300-8-degree-angle-optical-condenser-lensoptic-with-ho
But both of the above are much larger then the ones I used.

Yesterday I had the opportunity to use it outdoors at night. After that my conclusion is, I will keep the TIR optics I use! :slight_smile:
The flood is just fantastic. Perfect for walking in the nature. Even great for indoors use and caves and stuff. Everything around you lights up nicely. Normally you have to point a flashlight around. Even a P60 type reflector gives you a tunnel vision. But the Fat Flooder just lights up everything in front of you like it was daytime. Its not like any other flashlight I own. Quite a game changer!

I just have to redo the front and do some changes to it, I think it will become quite sweet and unique once its properly finished (It could take some weeks, since I have several other small projects running). Until then Ill enjoy it as it is. :slight_smile:

This lights are very close to the wall, but I think it shows the floody nature compared to a SRK.
Notice the tint difference. SRK is typical XM-L CW (not very nice). The supposedly CW emitters from FT are basically 5000K NW. Im not complaining on that, but just shows that Fasttech is not the most trustworthy source for bin/tint. These emitters were described as 6500-7000K. :stuck_out_tongue:
Im glad they wasn’t. :slight_smile:
When that is said, the TIR optics used could possibly do wonders, but im a bit skeptical that they can improve tint that much…

Nice tint! Can you provide a link to the exact XP-G2's from FT? I'd like to pick some up (and I'm pretty sure they're cheap).

-Garry

I also want a good supply of nw xp-g2’s, I want to do something with a dry host and some copper. 8)

Nice Giveaway!

I´m in!

Just joking . I love that beam

They were CW normal XP-Gs (description said 6350-7000K btw)
I just bought them because they were cheap. At the time I ordered them, (1. March). There were no cheap XP-G2s.
Nor was there any very cheap XP-G NWs. In case i decided to rebuild the light with other emitters/reflectors or anything I did not want to buy 5 emitters that was not “budget”.
The XP-Gs were 2,17$ a piece, and my initial plans was 5A max (1A to each emitter). When looking at charts from Match the difference between XP-G and XP-G2 @ 1A is only 25lumen (325 vs 350) which is not visible to the eye.
So for this particular light, they turned out nice. I might still improve on them though.

The cheapest XP-G2s now are these CWs from FT.
I ordered one along with some other stuff a month ago, but still no sign of that package.
Ordered 3 more a week ago. I have heard from others they are CW though. But I have possible de-dome plans and such…
I also have 3 NW XP-G2s from IOS (5000K) on the way. Already have one 4200K (LCK-LED), and some 3000Ks (LCK-LED/LEDDNA). Nice to have experience with most of the spectrum… :stuck_out_tongue:
Ill finish a few basic “part swap lights” once I get more Qlites and copper MCPCBs from IOS.
I have a feeling these , would be my favorite XP-G2s though. But they were not available when I ordered the 3C NWs.
All my XP-G2 lights will be hard driven, either single emitter or triple… 0:)

:smiley:

Ill take that as a compliment… Just consider. The SRK looks like a thrower on that picture, so flood is insane. Its not only the hotspot though, the spill is wider in real life than the picture shows. If used from a 3m distance there is no defined hotspot.
Its quite cool though. But a bit useless if you want to light up something at a 40+ meter distance wit a decent amount of light… :stuck_out_tongue:

https://www.fasttech.com/products/1187501 15 degree

https://www.fasttech.com/products/1606/10002020/1144800 30 degree

CNQG had the same thing only 45 degree.

Nope, probably won't fit five without shaving them down a little.

yes, those are the 15 and 30 degree optics I have tried. I like the 15-degree version. Got 5 spares lying here. They sit nicely around an XM-L (unlike the 10 degree stuff I got from another place).
But even if I were to file away that small ring around them they would still be close to 17,7mm wide…
It should be possible to fit 4 of those though. Something I will have in mind if building a different light…

I know 4 emitters @ same current would be better for slightly more throw, and those tighter and larger optics would help too. But I have come to like the little fat flood monster and its beam. :slight_smile: Its unique and got character, quite different from other “floody” lights. Very useful for lots of close up stuff…