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Showing out of stock though , but this is exciting, but crap, just ordered a whole bunch of XM-L2 U2's...

It's possible they had none in stock, they maybe simply added it there as a teaser and it will show in stock in the next days/acouple of weeks.

Oops! Totally didn’t notice that it’s out of stock…what a tease… :stuck_out_tongue:

Anything could have happened, maybe anticipated delivery or 1 customer buying out their full inventory, who knows, could have happened with something hot like this.

Added:

MT-G2 mounted on Noctigon
http://intl-outdoor.com/noctigon-mtg20-mcpcb-cree-mtg2-p0-5000k-6v-led-p-727.html

Thank you! :bigsmile:

Your welcome Flashpilot!

On top of the nice XM-L2s intl-outdoor recently got in, they now got something most have not heard of, or already forgotten about.

Cree XB-D. They have gotten the highest CRI version of the NW color that so many like (3C tint)
http://intl-outdoor.com/cree-xbd-q5-3c-minimum-80-cri-led-16mm-mcpcb-p-731.html

Probably a very nice emitter for smaller AA and 2xAA lights… also for various multi emitter lights. Higher CRI than all the common Cree emitters in that tint range.

Update:
Added the NW 80-CRI XM-L2s from intl-outdoor and XB-D to a new sheet. (links found in previous post)
Added Nichia 119 sheet, with one WW high cri Nichia 119 from FT.

Higher CRI emitters, gotta love them… :heart_eyes:

Added:

Cree XM-L2, Bare, T5, 5C1 Tint (4000K)
5$ , Nice price for a nice emitter from illumination supply!

Oh, man! I wish I had seen those 5C1’s earlier in the week when I placed my emitter order. Doh!

Thats a shame…
On the bright side… There will always be a next order… :stuck_out_tongue:

Its quite sweet that intl-outdoor have the T4, 80 CRI version. And that Illumination supply got the T5 75 CRI version… :slight_smile:
Im impressed with the 5$ price @ Illumination supply. 5C tint have usually been more expensive then the more common emitters (CW and 5000K NW). FT sells the old XM-L version for 6-7$…
I have several of those T4,80 CRI versions coming my way. Pulled the trigger the moment I saw some 5C tint XM-L2s. Been waiting for ages for some to pop up.

Great news!! … for those of us who like warm white… :slight_smile:

Intl-outdoor have gotten CREE XM-L2 T3 6A1 MINIMUM 80 CRI in stock.
6.55$
Its been added to the database.

Unlike most WW emitters, this is closer to neutral. Its not 80-cri typical, but 80-CRI Minimum. In that case T3 bin is the highest bin there is. Cant wait to compare it to some other emitters!

(Intl-outdoor have also gotten 18 AWG wire in stock)

I see CNQ have gotten some cheapo copper MCPCBs. Looks the be the same as others sell for same price if not slightly cheaper…
http://www.cnqualitygoods.com/goods.php?id=1901
I added them anyway…

Edit: Quantity discount is nice if you buy 10 or more…
I have yet to see some tests one these…

What’s up with the tarnished copper?

Just wondering, does a LED reel for a higher bin cost more than a one with a lower bin?

I’m assuming so, since most resellers charge more for them.

I cant comment on your previous post, but Ill give this one a shot. BTW, Im taking many numbers from my memory, I may be off on some. There is also some speculation form my side here.

On a general basis, I would not say that a higher bin emitter costs more than a lower bin.

Ofcourse U3 should generally be more expensive than T6, its better in the BIN department, and equal on the others.
6500K T6 with 65-CRI typical
6500K U2 with 65-CRI typical
6500K U3 with 65-CRI typical

But look at XM-L T4,T5 from FT. They are more expensive than XM-L U2/U3.
In this case I guess it have to do with demand and supply (or maybe just pricing)… WW T4(/T3?), is not as cheap either. These are less known emitters. Manufacturers and such often use CW, or 5000K NW. These are popular emitters, so some distributors probably buy larger quantities, making them easier to sell cheap. The emitters I prefer, that are more in 3500-4500K are usually less common, and fairly expensive.
This is not always the case though… Some of the more recent XM-L2s have been nicely/reasonable priced despite having top specs.

CRI has a lot to say in this too. XM-L2 S6(very low bin), with 90-CRI is fairly expensive.
There are also some emitters that should be cheaper than others. When looking at the more detailed XP-G2 spreadsheet we can in some cases see many emitters in the same tint range. In theory I would assume pricing should be something like this:


This is an extreme example though, but it shows the importance of knowing the exact BIN and CRI when buying certain type of emitters. Intl-outdoor does this. (I hope I have had something to do with then when requesting various specific emitters.) For the record, I have requested emitters to FT too, but none of those have been seen.

Back to the picture.

  1. 3750K - Q5 with 70-CRI typical
  2. 3750K - Q5 with 80-CRI typical
  3. 3750K - Q5 with 80-CRI Minimum
  4. 3750K- R2 with 80-CRI Minium

In the example I would say 1s emitter should be quite cheap, and the 4. emitter should be the most expensive.

When it comes to XP-G2s, the cheapest ones out there are the currently top bin R5 6500CW emitter. All the others, are usually more expensive.
You can also get 5000K NW in the same R5 BIN (still a low 70-CRI though). I would pay more for that unless I had de-dome plans or were on a tight budget.
If an emitter have same bin and same CRI, I usually consider the less cool tint to be the most expensive (and IMO, usually the nicest).

On a side note, Im a bit fed up with the majority of vendors when it comes to emitter specs to be honest. Too much BS specs, or the lack of specs, or questionable emitter tint (and bin).
KD and the others cheap “DX type” china stores seem to be quite off at times when it comes to emitter specs too, nor are their responses what I would say trustworthy compared to what you get.
FT, which I consider a fairly trustworthy vendor, have sold me XP-Gs that were not as described in terms if tint. What else differences could be in the specs? Lower bin than advertised? They seem to offer a few “higher bin XM-Ls than all the rest, and what is stated in the Cree datasheet”. Again, if that is a mistake, what other mistakes could there be? When that is said, I have been happy with all my XM-Ls from FT.
I had to mail LCK-LED in order to find out what tint and bin their NW XP-G2s were. They told me 5A tint and unknown BIN. But it certainly looked like 3C to me, certainly not anywhere close to the similar tint from intl-outdoor, which I considered to be correct in comparison with a bunch of other emitters. They also messed up description on packaging. They are supposed to be a professional LED supplier. How hard can it be to get the basics right?
LED-DNA does in some cases lack info too…

Im very happy with some of the latest emitters intl-outdoor have gotten in stock though, I should mention Illumination supply too. :slight_smile:

Generally the slightly lower bin emitters that I buy are usually more expensive than the higher/top bin CW emitters.
I would have saved a good amount of money if I always opted for the higher bin (CW) emitters.

RaceR, thank you very much for your analysis. Sorry I didn’t reply any quicker.

It seems like IO is leading the way for accurate tint and bin descriptions. I also wish that FT would write down the exact specs, or even take a photo of the ID from the reel itself. Then we would know exactly what we’re getting, given that FT doesn’t mix them up while packaging.

Thanks again for your explanation! :slight_smile:

IO buys the reels themselves, at least some of them, that is they have those markers on the IDs, rest are resellers.

So FT doesn’t buy the reels?

Do you think they wouldn't know anything about them if they would.