The best I can figure. It’s a fierce loyalty to American made products. I can understand that, but wouldn’t adhere to it to the point of ignoring technological advances.
Which torches are more technically advanced? I see many Chines so called flame thrower lights that aren’t advanced, I don’t see squeezing 12 highpower leds onto an inadequate heat sink is advanced, I think the mre expensive manufacturers have a reputation to protect and must make reliable products to survive, you might buy 10 or more torches a year but you’re not the target market a large proportion of Surefires business is contract sales and the product must be shown to be proven reliable, these customers are repeat buyers.
Look at the money a carpenter will spend on a hammer, my cheap old hammer gets the job done but a real tradesman wouldn’t be seen dead using it. Good tools cost money for a reason.
Charlie Chan or Chinese super torch manufacturer on the other hand can jam a heap of leds into a light and not worry whether it lasts, his development costs are almost zero because his ebay special doesn’t have to last, how many times do we see torches with paper thin heatsinks and not even a smear of heatsink compound.
You really do need to compare like with like.
Cheap torches = fun, but are not in the same league, your all trying to compare a lada with a range rover they’ll both get you there just the lada is going to fail far more frequently. To think otherwise is stupidity.
Surefires only claim to fame (IMO) Weill its twofold. Being American made & the military contrscts they won back when Washington crossed the Delaware. Other than that, they are substandard lights. They haven’t evolved & are a waste of cash.
I’m not here to argue, your entitle to your opinion.
I was going to say the same thing 
out I appreciate your opinion. Though that last post came across a bit too direct. Thats unusual for for. I’m generally very passive…. LOL
can i interest anyone in a sure fire wrist light?
$495 plus shipping/tax for an 80 lumen light
now thats a deal!
Although you may know, Zebralight and Fenix are Chinese made-lights too. 
So you are not making fair comparisons.
I think some of it is just plain anti-Chinese sentiment.
lada vs range rover is a bad analogy too, I’d trust the lada before I trusted the British Leyland crap.
I’m sure surefire are pretty reliable, its just the dollar/lumen ratio is pretty poor and the bullet proof build is unnecessary for most usage, a classic maglite will, in ordinary everyday use prove just as reliable as a surefire but costs so much less.
Heh, I just said ‘Surefire sucks’ because it felt good to say it. I’m sure they’re an OK brand. They do seem over-priced, though. What matters to me is I can talk about how much I love my Sunwayman lights, and someone else can talk about how they much prefer SureFire, and everyone has an equal voice. Hopefully we can all agree that most products have their share of satisfied owners.
My problem is when I say ‘Surefire seems over-priced’ and people treat me like I don’t understand flashlights just because I’ve made a different choice than they have. That kind of condescension doesn’t seem to exist here. Like what you like— it’s all good 
I agree 100% so why are you guys so down on them, it’s not the product for you why kick the hell out of it, I’m like that with cars I see super cars a a total waste of time and money, then I not the target market but I don’t go around car forums saying what rubbish they are and saying my hot Vauxhall is just a capable as a Ferrari.
Chloe I’m sorry you misinterpreted my comments as anti Chinese My grandfather was Chinese and my favourite new light is a Solarforce, I was comparing as I said the ebay hot rod torches. I have owned and will continue to buy torches from China.
Just trying to put some balance into the conversation where there isn’t at the moment.
Don’t get down on a product just because it’s not your cup of tea.
Everyone knows the best car is Honda. I get in my Honda, and I know it’s going to start, because it’s a Honda
@ Farty… For me, It’s the underwhelming lumens per price. I am a big Solarforce fan as well. Not to be argumentative, but I don’t think Surefire can hold a candle ( No pun intended ) to Solarforce or many of the other brands out there.
My Honda also started - to rust 
I must admit that I liked some features on it, like engine and suspension…
I think most would be happy to pick a surefire up AT A BUDGET PRICE, surefire is just an unfortunate victim of the bad feeling caused by cpf’s nazi tendencies and sheep like state of many of the people happy to be there, the thing with blf/tfe or tff is that, you are free to post your opinions, within reason, on cpf, your only allowed to post opinions that fall in line with the forums agenda, that’s why the place holds no interest for me, I’m not particularly regulated in real life, I certainly wont be unnecessarily regulated when talking about something as unimportant in the grand scheme of things as a damned torch, lifes too short and I have way larger concerns.
Here we go…
ah, the point is, these people are addressing an issue with the high dollar obscure items they have already bought from cpf approved (sponsors) sellers, try going on there and suggesting the answer is a solarforce host, axlm drop in and efest cell and see how far you get……
Or try pointing out that the p60 design itself is being pushed well beyond its design specs and you would be better looking at a dedicated 18650 p60 sized host designed to mount a 20mm star and use a suitable driver (nanjg and contact board works well, the host in question is on my hip, where it rides daily for ease of use, along with a sanrenmu m1, shock horror, cheap chinese host, cheap chinese driver, cheap chinese knife, cheap chinese holster, is there no end to my blasphemy? )
Then post links for these items, I’d be inclined to measure the posts lifespan in nanoseconds……
For many many many more examples, including a poorly thought out cpf sponsored troll, check out duro’s “I really hate candle power forums” thread.
I enjoy shooting beer out my nose…. Cheeky Sod !!
no worries, you on something interesting or some form of lager? if its lager its better down your nose than down your throat :bigsmile:
+1 LOL