Taking things to extremes..

I agree 100% so why are you guys so down on them, it’s not the product for you why kick the hell out of it, I’m like that with cars I see super cars a a total waste of time and money, then I not the target market but I don’t go around car forums saying what rubbish they are and saying my hot Vauxhall is just a capable as a Ferrari.

Chloe I’m sorry you misinterpreted my comments as anti Chinese My grandfather was Chinese and my favourite new light is a Solarforce, I was comparing as I said the ebay hot rod torches. I have owned and will continue to buy torches from China.

Just trying to put some balance into the conversation where there isn’t at the moment.

Don’t get down on a product just because it’s not your cup of tea.

Everyone knows the best car is Honda. I get in my Honda, and I know it’s going to start, because it’s a Honda :stuck_out_tongue:

@ Farty… For me, It’s the underwhelming lumens per price. I am a big Solarforce fan as well. Not to be argumentative, but I don’t think Surefire can hold a candle ( No pun intended ) to Solarforce or many of the other brands out there.

My Honda also started - to rust :frowning:
I must admit that I liked some features on it, like engine and suspension…

I think most would be happy to pick a surefire up AT A BUDGET PRICE, surefire is just an unfortunate victim of the bad feeling caused by cpf’s nazi tendencies and sheep like state of many of the people happy to be there, the thing with blf/tfe or tff is that, you are free to post your opinions, within reason, on cpf, your only allowed to post opinions that fall in line with the forums agenda, that’s why the place holds no interest for me, I’m not particularly regulated in real life, I certainly wont be unnecessarily regulated when talking about something as unimportant in the grand scheme of things as a damned torch, lifes too short and I have way larger concerns.

https://www.google.com/search?q=surefire+problems&sitesearch=www.candlepowerforums.com

https://www.google.com/search?q=surefire+problems&sitesearch=www.candlepowerforums.com#bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=2b35c428f191351c&q=surefire+unhappy+site:www.candlepowerforums.com&safe=off

Here we go…

ah, the point is, these people are addressing an issue with the high dollar obscure items they have already bought from cpf approved (sponsors) sellers, try going on there and suggesting the answer is a solarforce host, axlm drop in and efest cell and see how far you get……

Or try pointing out that the p60 design itself is being pushed well beyond its design specs and you would be better looking at a dedicated 18650 p60 sized host designed to mount a 20mm star and use a suitable driver (nanjg and contact board works well, the host in question is on my hip, where it rides daily for ease of use, along with a sanrenmu m1, shock horror, cheap chinese host, cheap chinese driver, cheap chinese knife, cheap chinese holster, is there no end to my blasphemy? )

Then post links for these items, I’d be inclined to measure the posts lifespan in nanoseconds……

For many many many more examples, including a poorly thought out cpf sponsored troll, check out duro’s “I really hate candle power forums” thread.

I enjoy shooting beer out my nose…. Cheeky Sod !!

no worries, you on something interesting or some form of lager? if its lager its better down your nose than down your throat :bigsmile:

+1 LOL :smiley:

Well “stupid” eh? Many people dont have the $$ to buy a Range Rover, and Ladas can be repaired for cheap, and depending on the model, you could buy a few for the price of a Range Rover. Plus LEDs are different than vehicles: there is only so much you can “get wrong” in a flashlight, and “repairs” arent that expensive. You talk about cramming 12LEDs with not enough heatsinking…well thats why they are under-driven in the first place. Its actually much better economically and energy cost efficiency to get a 12LED light for $76 very under driven than mod your Sunwayman T60CS to try (and still fail) to get the same lumens for about $300 (and burn your hand). And Sunwayman’s not even the price of Surefire…do they even have anything that could compete?

Lasting is hardest to address, but…if I have to buy 2 more over the years, then….well then I’d still be ahead! Especially taking into account the fact it’d probably take you TEN Surefires taped together to compare (and cost even more than Sunwayman). :slight_smile:

So…stupid is most definitely not the position of buying the 12LED light… :wink:

I’m done guys just trying to present a different viewpoint, unfortunately you are as bad as the people you complain about, there is very little tolerance for ideas that don’t match the herd mentality.

The ‘herd’ mentality as you so eloquently phrased it. Well, it just won’t wash here… This venue is open to all lights. The fact that we won’t prescribe to archaic technology just to fit in tells you something. Welcome to the island of misfit toys.

It’s all on you man!!! Don’t you feel ashamed!!! LMAO

hangs head in shame. …….

not really, I just like to address the alternative view point, mainly because sometimes they have a good point and make me reevaluate my thinking, fartybum, seriously, I’m not getting at you, but if you post a view point in order to challenge, should that view point be above challenge itself?

Surefires cost more because:

1. They have very robust build quality
2. They have a lifetime warranty
3. They are made in the USA
4. They have high profit margins (because they know they will still sell them, that’s capitalism)

1 and 2 are good reasons. 3 may be for those in the US, but I’m not bothered apart from English speaking CS. 4 is why I buy other brands.

Their profit margins stem from the military contracts they landed years ago. Those idiots ( US Government ) paid $700 for a toilet seat. Our tax dollars at work.

No matter how valid you think your arguments are, does it justify ridiculing you fellow enthusiast?

That question is a two way street you know.