ah, the point is, these people are addressing an issue with the high dollar obscure items they have already bought from cpf approved (sponsors) sellers, try going on there and suggesting the answer is a solarforce host, axlm drop in and efest cell and see how far you get……
Or try pointing out that the p60 design itself is being pushed well beyond its design specs and you would be better looking at a dedicated 18650 p60 sized host designed to mount a 20mm star and use a suitable driver (nanjg and contact board works well, the host in question is on my hip, where it rides daily for ease of use, along with a sanrenmu m1, shock horror, cheap chinese host, cheap chinese driver, cheap chinese knife, cheap chinese holster, is there no end to my blasphemy? )
Then post links for these items, I’d be inclined to measure the posts lifespan in nanoseconds……
For many many many more examples, including a poorly thought out cpf sponsored troll, check out duro’s “I really hate candle power forums” thread.
Well “stupid” eh? Many people dont have the $$ to buy a Range Rover, and Ladas can be repaired for cheap, and depending on the model, you could buy a few for the price of a Range Rover. Plus LEDs are different than vehicles: there is only so much you can “get wrong” in a flashlight, and “repairs” arent that expensive. You talk about cramming 12LEDs with not enough heatsinking…well thats why they are under-driven in the first place. Its actually much better economically and energy cost efficiency to get a 12LED light for $76 very under driven than mod your Sunwayman T60CS to try (and still fail) to get the same lumens for about $300 (and burn your hand). And Sunwayman’s not even the price of Surefire…do they even have anything that could compete?
Lasting is hardest to address, but…if I have to buy 2 more over the years, then….well then I’d still be ahead! Especially taking into account the fact it’d probably take you TEN Surefires taped together to compare (and cost even more than Sunwayman).
So…stupid is most definitely not the position of buying the 12LED light…
I’m done guys just trying to present a different viewpoint, unfortunately you are as bad as the people you complain about, there is very little tolerance for ideas that don’t match the herd mentality.
The ‘herd’ mentality as you so eloquently phrased it. Well, it just won’t wash here… This venue is open to all lights. The fact that we won’t prescribe to archaic technology just to fit in tells you something. Welcome to the island of misfit toys.
not really, I just like to address the alternative view point, mainly because sometimes they have a good point and make me reevaluate my thinking, fartybum, seriously, I’m not getting at you, but if you post a view point in order to challenge, should that view point be above challenge itself?
1. They have very robust build quality
2. They have a lifetime warranty
3. They are made in the USA
4. They have high profit margins (because they know they will still sell them, that’s capitalism)
1 and 2 are good reasons. 3 may be for those in the US, but I’m not bothered apart from English speaking CS. 4 is why I buy other brands.
Their profit margins stem from the military contracts they landed years ago. Those idiots ( US Government ) paid $700 for a toilet seat. Our tax dollars at work.
there are a couple surefires that i think look good... but then i look at my farka f8... ever seen a dropin look like it was on air shocks when you put it in the head? dont think surefires machining could have much tighter tolerance. and this lil farka is a damn good looking light i think...
then there is the solarforce m6... like the looks of it, like the mods for it... but $300 for an outdated incan, before the ridiculously expensive parts to make it good... nah, think i will go just north of $200 for a FF4 and call it a day
i am all for supporting US business. but come on... you got to work with us a little
i am all for lifetime guarantee, but most likely i will void said guarantee within a year
Let’s assume that SF has the best quality and nobody was disputing that. I think most of us tend to focus on value, which is a combination of quality and price. So, quality is important, but without a good price, the value goes down. That’s why I haven’t bought one. It looks like a good quality product, but I think other brands are a much better value. But that’s just me. I’d personally rather have 4 Fenix lights for example than one SF light. But different people have different priorities, and I respect that.
The older Surefires are way out dated. I think everyone can agree on that. Take a look at some of the newer models. The E2DL Ultra for example is a pretty awesome light, it is hitting close to 20k with awesome side spill with a nice big hotspot. It is just a bit longer than a P60 host, but a lot thinner. The Fury can be had for a lot less and is comparable to the $100 lights that Fenix, Nitcore, etc etc put out. Plus a way better warranty. Everyone likes lights for different reasons and that is cool. Really no need to argue about it. I myself would rather pay a little more and get a better quality light. It does not matter if it is Fenix, EagleTac, Surefire or what ever else is out at the time. I stay away from the supper cheap stuff, because it tends to have issues. Bottom line is different things work for different people.
Really pleased to see some well thought out answers Kinda helps balance the discussion, I wasn’t arguing for Surefire, I just think people should be able to buy and support any brand without persecution or need to justify that purchase, as borked said horses for courses.
hey, if i had the cash i would have a titanium sunwayman with enough trits in it to light my night stand... a lot here would think i was crazy, but it is what i want
i just dont see the value in surefire.
yes, i would love to have an m6, and maybe a couple others... but there is just no value for money involved in them. they are just another anodized aluminum host...
I see these on ebay and think to myself if only these guys knew what kind of real flashlight they could by for that money. I would by a K40 or TN31 before I thought even once for paying $50 for that light.
