Taking things to extremes..

I’m done guys just trying to present a different viewpoint, unfortunately you are as bad as the people you complain about, there is very little tolerance for ideas that don’t match the herd mentality.

The ‘herd’ mentality as you so eloquently phrased it. Well, it just won’t wash here… This venue is open to all lights. The fact that we won’t prescribe to archaic technology just to fit in tells you something. Welcome to the island of misfit toys.

It’s all on you man!!! Don’t you feel ashamed!!! LMAO

hangs head in shame. …….

not really, I just like to address the alternative view point, mainly because sometimes they have a good point and make me reevaluate my thinking, fartybum, seriously, I’m not getting at you, but if you post a view point in order to challenge, should that view point be above challenge itself?

Surefires cost more because:

1. They have very robust build quality
2. They have a lifetime warranty
3. They are made in the USA
4. They have high profit margins (because they know they will still sell them, that’s capitalism)

1 and 2 are good reasons. 3 may be for those in the US, but I’m not bothered apart from English speaking CS. 4 is why I buy other brands.

Their profit margins stem from the military contracts they landed years ago. Those idiots ( US Government ) paid $700 for a toilet seat. Our tax dollars at work.

No matter how valid you think your arguments are, does it justify ridiculing you fellow enthusiast?

That question is a two way street you know.

there are a couple surefires that i think look good... but then i look at my farka f8... ever seen a dropin look like it was on air shocks when you put it in the head? dont think surefires machining could have much tighter tolerance. and this lil farka is a damn good looking light i think...

then there is the solarforce m6... like the looks of it, like the mods for it... but $300 for an outdated incan, before the ridiculously expensive parts to make it good... nah, think i will go just north of $200 for a FF4 and call it a day

i am all for supporting US business. but come on... you got to work with us a little

i am all for lifetime guarantee, but most likely i will void said guarantee within a year

Let’s assume that SF has the best quality and nobody was disputing that. I think most of us tend to focus on value, which is a combination of quality and price. So, quality is important, but without a good price, the value goes down. That’s why I haven’t bought one. It looks like a good quality product, but I think other brands are a much better value. But that’s just me. I’d personally rather have 4 Fenix lights for example than one SF light. But different people have different priorities, and I respect that.

The older Surefires are way out dated. I think everyone can agree on that. Take a look at some of the newer models. The E2DL Ultra for example is a pretty awesome light, it is hitting close to 20k with awesome side spill with a nice big hotspot. It is just a bit longer than a P60 host, but a lot thinner. The Fury can be had for a lot less and is comparable to the $100 lights that Fenix, Nitcore, etc etc put out. Plus a way better warranty. Everyone likes lights for different reasons and that is cool. Really no need to argue about it. I myself would rather pay a little more and get a better quality light. It does not matter if it is Fenix, EagleTac, Surefire or what ever else is out at the time. I stay away from the supper cheap stuff, because it tends to have issues. Bottom line is different things work for different people.

Horses for courses.
We live in a greyscale, not this black/white only perspective some are sprouting as the only choice.

Really pleased to see some well thought out answers :slight_smile: Kinda helps balance the discussion, I wasn’t arguing for Surefire, I just think people should be able to buy and support any brand without persecution or need to justify that purchase, as borked said horses for courses.

hey, if i had the cash i would have a titanium sunwayman with enough trits in it to light my night stand... a lot here would think i was crazy, but it is what i want

i just dont see the value in surefire.

yes, i would love to have an m6, and maybe a couple others... but there is just no value for money involved in them. they are just another anodized aluminum host...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Surefire-E2D-LED-Defender-/171101795687?pt=US_Flashlights&hash=item27d6763567#ht_292wt_919

I see these on ebay and think to myself if only these guys knew what kind of real flashlight they could by for that money. I would by a K40 or TN31 before I thought even once for paying $50 for that light.

I was thinking that yesterday. That most of the SF argument can be distilled down to “My Aluminum tube is better than your Aluminum tube!”

$ureFire torches are nice collectibles. I do have a few of those; all of them bought at a ridiculously low price off eBay.

“Look, this is the original one, and this… is the Chinese version of it. And, look, how the Chinese have improved the original design so much, at a much lower price!”

:smiley:

Yeah Brad that is the older version one. I would not waste my time with that. Like I said earlier the Ultra is pretty impressive for its size. The k40 and Tn31 are awesome also, especially once Vinh gets a hold of them, but they are not even the same type of light. The Ultra is about the size of a 2AA light. I have all kinds of lights, only a few Surefires though. I can say that they are made a lot better than most lights. You hold any other Chinese light you can tell the difference in the quality between the two. The TIR lens they put in some of their lights is pretty cool. It really throws the beam. Are they worth the extra money? That is up to the person buying it. Vinh said that they are one of the few lights that he does that he does not have to do much to them if anything. They come from the factory the way a light should be. Other than upgrades to the older emitters. I think we all can agree that Vinh knows a thing or two about the quality of a flashlight.

I think you guys are missing the point, I own one Surefire, I didn’t buy it because it was cheap or super bright, I just wanted a Surefire.

A mate of mine collects stamps from a little principality in India he pays big money for one stamp, I on the other hand go down to the PO and buy a whole book of 20 stamps for a few quid.

Get the point?