WTB: Throwers AND/OR solid flooders

not seeing the TR-J18 for sale but 18650, want to send me a photo of the super thrower you have for sale for $100shipped. forget what it was since im running out the door to work right now

18sixfifty,

In pictures above XM-L U3 is de domed, XP-G2 is de domed, XRE with dome on.

There is a lot of point of putting XP-G2 into aspheric. But If you are not field using you will never know.

What is the point of overdriving XML to 6,5 A when you can have all that with even more throw with XP-G2 at 3A? It will maybe equal lux/kcd performance but it will kill 18650 battery in few minutes.

I definitely don’t recommend overdriven(6,5A) XML for aspheric flashlights and any single 18650 battery flashlights.

You will not see target? :slight_smile: That is just to funny for me… Yes you will not fully light extra big objects if you want to look for them.
When you talk about XP-G2 as pinpoint light which is unable to illuminate the target is just ridiculous to me. I am using that every day and I am well aware what it can illuminate especially at larger distances.

You should take things out from other perspective.

I will only talk for hunter population of people who can actually find use for “pinpoint beams”,

Currently there are no more useful scope hunting light than the one with XP-G2 (well and XP-E2 in smaller hosts).

Hunters should pay attention on:

1. Flashlight size will you be able to mount TN31, Olight SR95, BTU shocker and other on your rifle? No you will not. Ideal hunting light should not be more than 55 mm in head size.

2. Light intensity you don’t need high lumens here. You need as much lux/candela at the target as possible. So more lux/kcd means that you will reach and bring your target more clearly to your riflescope.
Lux/kcd will determine Usable light distance Sure there are lights that can reach very far with some faint light but do they have usable light distance? Distance at which you can clearly identify your target? You must find light that will satisfy your need at range.

3. Perception or what you can really see at night. What type of light you will perceive better? Reflector or aspheric type of beam?

When you turn on reflector LED light, your night vision is killed by spill light that is reflecting from those nearby objects(grass,ground, trees). Your pupil of the eye narrows and you see less. The brighter the environment is, the narrower is the pupil of the eye, so there’s a reduction in light that hits the fundus. It ruin your night vision

Aspherical light beam has sharp borders, so there is better contrast between illuminated area and dark area. The enhanced contrast lets you to perceive it brighter. It preserves your night vision

Aspheric type of beam does not scares game so much as reflector because they can also notice perception differences between these two types of the beam.

I would like to say that each of us should find use for certain type of flashlights, and not just talk about pinpoint, laser beam, no use, etc. which will actually repulse newbies from taking the light they could actually need.

At the end I will say that Dereelight is top quality hunting light that was well recognized among hunters in Europe especially in UK, able to withstand highest caliber rifle recoils but probably USA hunters started to recognize such qualities when Saablusters sells them tuned at onestopthrowshop.com

It offers:
Quality, Durability,Versatility, Upgradeability

With one flashlight you can have all this:

- No 1 commercial available 50mm aspheric thrower in a world(260KCD of throw with tuned pill)

- With IR P60 drop in One of the best IR illuminators in a world

- With aluminium pill holder it accepts any classic P60 drop in(just unscrew reflector and screw back into pill holder).

  • Probably the best P60 host in a world with excellent heatsinking ability

Upgradeable with:

- 70 mm Xsearcher(aspheric) head (400+KCD of throw with tuned pill)

- red,yellow,blue,white, multimode/singlemode drop ins

  • extension tube to run 2×18650 or 3×16340 if needed

And I don’t know if it still can but for older versions(DBS) you could even order reflector heads with desired reflector style(reflector for XRE,XML,MCE)

FF4 J)

Best of both worlds…

Yeah and $200+ Ill pass on that option unless you know where to get one cheap

Edit: im not a hunter……I have a crelant 7g5cs with aspheric head so doubt the dereelight will be any better after reading even more reviews. I can care less on my night vision since I want to illuminate a larger target at s distancce, not just a deer at 200 yards.

K40vn looks like the choice for thrower. Waiting on 18650s response on his light for sale since the link to relics light had broken images so not sure what it loks like :frowning:

We will throw the line here:

Hunters pay attention to my post in Livinloud thread but don’t listen to him and similar guys that has 0 experience with hunting & dereelight flashlights claiming that you can only lid a deer at 200 yds, or pinpoint beam, laser beam etc.

You can lid whatever you want from close to far range because Dereelights are focus adjustable lights.

Livinloud,

U should not even mention Dereelight as an option in your thread if you are familiar with aspheric types of beam and if you have similar lights.

Guess you cant read well………I HAVE A 7G5CS WITH ASPHERIC HEAD. I am familiar with sshperics and from the photos of the dereelight along with reviews it seems to have a smaller beam. I have also yet to find a review that talks aboyt this flood to throw feature. Is that on the V1 or V2?

Also I trust IE, if he says it seems cheap in build then its cheap in build quality. Have you held a crelant or armytek light? Those are quality lights and built like tanks.

Also you seem to be confused……IE and I are talking about “laser beams” because we are legit referencing lasers tgat we both own, have yiu seen his avatar?

No offense but you have been here less than me, way less thsn 18650 & IE as well……yiur avatar is a dereelight to boot, kinda seem like a dereelight fan boy to me…….broaden your horizons buddy, there ate way better lights outb there. If dereelight was the shit like you make it out to be then why is the only place yiu can buy it is through dereelight? No one has made a replica of it either……idk if youve noticed but all the good lights have copies from chinese companies trying to mske s buck off the high quality lights they are imitated.

Pretty set on NOT buying a dereelight at this moment so ig all you are going yo do is push the dereelight then I will respectfully ask you to bow out of this convo.
Thanks

For a flooder, I love my TN30 but not sure if that’s more than you are wanting to spend? Alternatively, as already suggested, an MT-G2 equipped light is awesome. I tried one in a Trustfire X8 and even in a narrow deepish reflector I couldn’t believe how floody it was! My next light will definitely be an SX25L3 with an MT-G2.

Are you only after an aspheric thrower or would you also look into a normal reflector thrower like a TN31 etc.?

Haha yeah I figured it might be a bit over budget. It’s just so awesome I had to mention it haha

[quote=Livinloud]

Hi there, Livinloud.
Just today I got my K40 back: modified by Vinh. From level 4 onwards (there are 6) it smokes my Xsearcher (EZ900) J)
It’s now my baddest thrower. Tint is nice, too :slight_smile:
I doubt you’ll find a better thrower for (I think) $160 (shipping within the US).

I thinlnthe aspheric option is off the table since I dont use the aspheric head I own now. How mych is the TN30? At work so can’t check easily.

K40 just put the final mail in the dereelight debate………no dereelight for mr, will edutbtyebtitle when I get home

Banglabob, what batch light did you get?

The fire on a hot topic here already, but iam a hunter and here in Arizona it is illegal to hunt at night for anything except varmits. I.e. coyot es , foxes and bobcats I believe when living loud mentioned he was looking for a thrower I never heard him mention it was for hunting or had to fit on a rifle, I like living loud would like a thrower with some spill not a narrow beam I myself was interested in a Dereelight at first untill I saw a YouTube video of a side by compassion of a dereelight and another light , iam sorry I don't remember which light it was a UK made YouTube video. I personally would like a light with throw primarily and spill secondarily .and would fit in my hand easily .so now I would like other peoe opinion on which thrower the modded K40 or T31?EDIT:! I just wanted to add I do have zy-to8 modded witha MT-G2 with a very neutral tint iam guessing somewhere in the 4000 k range and it has a huge huge hot spot , it throws decently but its primarily a flood and secondarily a thrower I brought this up because someone metioned a MT-G2 as a possible thrower.

I agree I he obviously wasn’t looking for a hunting light and even if he was how do you mount that light on a rifle and is it even shock resistant? When I say target I don’t mean something to shoot at I meant the “target” of the light whatever that might be. I like an aspheric lens ok but it’s a very limited use light. Oh and I am not buying that picture above with the given specs. Something just isn’t right there. That XML-3 must be very underdriven and then even so if it’s that close in lux as it’s stated there is no way that the second and third picture can be accurate. It’s not even twice the lux but it’s about five times as bright in the picture. something smells.

Well anyway on to your question. Both the K40 and the T31 are supposed to be amazing lights from what everyone has said and it all depends on if you feel like spending the extra for the Tn31. It’s a little better light but is it worth it to you to pay a lot more for not that much better of a light? Either one will be an amazing light. It’s simply unreal what happens when you put that many amps through a de-domed XM-L2 and push it through a large reflector. You get a ton of throw but really the spill is bright too.

Own both, and for the most part I prefer the K40. The TN31 has a bit more throw to it, but not much. They are practically the same light, only difference is a slightly larger reflector on the TN31.

Something smelled fishy the whole time……when everything was placed together it pointed to a dereelight dealer/rep or a dereelight fan boy. Kinda like those Wicked Laser fan boys but in reality WL sucks!

It did seem a bit odd. Just relaying my own deerelight experience... light felt like a cheap rebrand, like monsterflashlights.

To be fair it did work fine, I just tend to have higher expectations for a $50+ light vs a $10 one.

IE, I will say this again; holy BARRACUDA this light is freakin amazing! You were not lying on the quality either! Thing makes my Crelant look like a chinese light :frowning: oh thats right, Crelant is a high quality chinese light :wink:

Dang, might not be in the market for another thrower but heck, I want more lights so another thrower and first real flooder it is!
Have a EDC XML 26650 “floody” light but i want a monster! 18650 ill PM you again tonight, dinner is calling :stuck_out_tongue:

I got the first batch, last year in December, I think. Ordered directly from Supbeam. I still think, at under $90 it was a stinking good deal :slight_smile: (and that includes DHL shipping).
I got the idea to send it to Vinh after reading ILIKE’s post. I figured the performance (K40) wasn’t that much superior to my STL-V2; so I’d keep the V2 and mod the K40.
Vinh assured me that after modding it would top 400KcD, and after using it last night, I’ve no doubt that it does :bigsmile:

I have a Dereelight X searcher with a modified pill from Vinh directly on copper that is over 400k lux. It doesn’t feel cheap at all and at $110.00 before the mod it shouldn’t. Its a fun toy with a thin beam and no spill. I use it when I don’t want to disturb my neighbors.

When I’m not worried about the spill however I much prefer my 500k+ modified TN31vn or my 250k+ modified TK75 both done by Vinh. I’ve sold off all of my other “big guns” and I really like the diversity that these three lights bring. I did have a Creelant and my X searcher was of slightly higher quality in my opinion.

I do think that guy comes on a little strong about dereelight though. Those pics he showed were from a precollomator lens and it was an extremely interesting and impressive implementation. It did grab Vinh’s attention as well.

I’ve wideled my way down from about 20 or so lights to five, and all five have been modified by Vinh, so you know where my loyalty and recommendation lyes. I guess I’m a Vinh fanboy LOL. I think you should go with a modified K40 by who else but the man himself. Good luck on your journey but I must warn you his lights are like Lays potato chips. Bet you can’t get just one.

My wife bought up my light addiction in our marriage claas of course to other couple addiction mine was minor lol let mecorrect ut was a question asked by the pastor of what we did in excess and my wife said the only thing she could tbink of was my lights.lol

You sure she didn’t talk about your drinking? Just messing with you based on all of the mistakes in this post. LOL. Probably on your phone or something. Cheers!

I don’t trust anyone that joined the forums on the date you did……(I don’t trust them not to blow a ton of money on this hobby anyway.)